Lake Country SDO, Scholl Polishes, open vs closed cell

[rover137]

Probably the best way to go about things!

I know the feeling re some products being more expensive in your home country. It’s the same here in Australia for some brands. I guess it comes down to if anyone has distributor rights etc... amongst a bunch of other things.

I’ve heard 3D is good as well as Gyeon primer. I was thinking of using one of gyeons ceramics, but I’m thinking some sort of lite ceramic is the go for me so that I can still fiddle with my paint every 1-2 years haha

I guess depending on the paint and it’s condition will depend on what steps and how many you take. My car was new and I asked the dealer not to touch it, so it wasn’t too bad. My paint is so soft I’m not going to worry about ever compounding if I can help it or chasing deep defects. I can get 80-90% defect clean up with a finishing polish - which is good enough for me.

I spent near 15 hrs just polishing haha the testing phase took me 3-4 hrs as it was my first go and I just couldn’t find a suitable combination with my paint.


Yeah I think it helps to keep it simple re pads and their line up. Some lineups have lots and lots of pads. As far as I can tell I am very happy with the SDOs so far.

That’s the thing, I feel like the oldschool guys used to polish until it looked good in the sun, now we have all these intense lights which show even more imperfections ��

 

[noorth]

Probably the best way to go about things!

I know the feeling re some products being more expensive in your home country. It’s the same here in Australia for some brands. I guess it comes down to if anyone has distributor rights etc... amongst a bunch of other things.

I’ve heard 3D is good as well as Gyeon primer. I was thinking of using one of gyeons ceramics, but I’m thinking some sort of lite ceramic is the go for me so that I can still fiddle with my paint every 1-2 years haha

I guess depending on the paint and it’s condition will depend on what steps and how many you take. My car was new and I asked the dealer not to touch it, so it wasn’t too bad. My paint is so soft I’m not going to worry about ever compounding if I can help it or chasing deep defects. I can get 80-90% defect clean up with a finishing polish - which is good enough for me.

I spent near 15 hrs just polishing haha the testing phase took me 3-4 hrs as it was my first go and I just couldn’t find a suitable combination with my paint.


Yeah I think it helps to keep it simple re pads and their line up. Some lineups have lots and lots of pads. As far as I can tell I am very happy with the SDOs so far.

That’s the thing, I feel like the oldschool guys used to polish until it looked good in the sun, now we have all these intense lights which show even more imperfections ��

i'm not an old school detailer but i'm older, over 40 lol I obsess about some of these things. Especially machine polishing and cleaning products. Thats why i want to go ceramic, lots of 1 year ceramic coatings for a daily driver. I rather have a robust 1 year LSP. But everyone is different, sometimes though i'm so sure of that! haha

But simple is usually best IMHO.

 

[rover137]

I must say i am the same :laughing:
It is very easy to obsess in this hobby and continually strive for perfection!

Yeah, tossing up between a few of the more 'lighter' coats such as Gyeon Cancoat, CarPro Lite, Gyeon One etc. I wouldn't mind seeing how the new Meguiar's1 yr coating reviews as well once it is out seems as i already have a heap of their Ceramic Spray Wax and Detailer to for maintenance. I'm not sure how i feel about the spray can ones (cancoat and new megs coating) though in terms of over spray etc. I am leaning more towards CarPro Lite but then i'd have to buy Reload, Elixir etc when i already have a bunch of the Megs ceramic gear. The joys of this Hobby haha

 

[noorth]

Well personally i'm not sold on the stay in the line stuff. I used gyeon primer on my father's car close to 6 mths ago and topped it with polish angel cosmic V2 and rapidwaxx. I washed the car once and topped it with rapidwaxx again since and it holding up very well if you like beading and nice gloss. Low mileage car that doesn't see much highway. Excuse lower panels i had to actually re apply cosmic/topper to one door, maybe it was application not sure. Beading was gone.

 

[rover137]

Well personally i'm not sold on the stay in the line stuff. I used gyeon primer on my father's car close to 6 mths ago and topped it with polish angel cosmic V2 and rapidwaxx. I washed the car once and topped it with rapidwaxx again since and it holding up very well if you like beading and nice gloss. Low mileage car that doesn't see much highway. Excuse lower panels i had to actually re apply cosmic/topper to one door, maybe it was application not sure. Beading was gone.

Yeah, I think for some things you can work outside of a brand or range but for others optimal results will be achieved and synergise more effectively and efficiently if you stay within a brands range (maybe coatings and toppers etc being the most important synergistic combinations here). I wouldn't top a ceramic such as CarPro lite with an inferior/slightly different chemically designed product such as Megs Hybrid Ceramic Wax. It might work, not sure - but it might also mask the superior qualities of the ceramic as opposed to complement and strengthen it. I do know of a few guys who have topped a ceramic with the Megs Ceramic detailer with great success - however, this to me is a more universal ceramic maintenance product than the HCW. I have Megs Ult Liquid Wax at the moment under HCW and it seems to be an effective combination with the more superior protection and beading on the outside. Also, depends on what looks you prefer as well for how you combine a sealant/wax etc

Yeah perhaps that panel wasn't prepped as well or application lacked on that particular panel for whatever reason.

 

[The Guz]

Probably the best way to go about things!

I know the feeling re some products being more expensive in your home country. It’s the same here in Australia for some brands. I guess it comes down to if anyone has distributor rights etc... amongst a bunch of other things.

I’ve heard 3D is good as well as Gyeon primer. I was thinking of using one of gyeons ceramics, but I’m thinking some sort of lite ceramic is the go for me so that I can still fiddle with my paint every 1-2 years haha

I guess depending on the paint and it’s condition will depend on what steps and how many you take. My car was new and I asked the dealer not to touch it, so it wasn’t too bad. My paint is so soft I’m not going to worry about ever compounding if I can help it or chasing deep defects. I can get 80-90% defect clean up with a finishing polish - which is good enough for me.

I spent near 15 hrs just polishing haha the testing phase took me 3-4 hrs as it was my first go and I just couldn’t find a suitable combination with my paint.


Yeah I think it helps to keep it simple re pads and their line up. Some lineups have lots and lots of pads. As far as I can tell I am very happy with the SDOs so far.

That’s the thing, I feel like the oldschool guys used to polish until it looked good in the sun, now we have all these intense lights which show even more imperfections ��

Primer polishes were designed with softer paints in mind. The benefit to them is that they don't require a panel wipe prior to coating. I would still do a light panel wipe but you should not experience marring as the silica will harden on the surface if you let it sit overnight after the initial wipe off.

Gyeon Primer paired with CanCoat is a great combination and Essence paired with Cquartz Lite is a good combination.

 

[noorth]

I wouldn't top a ceramic such as CarPro lite with an inferior/slightly different chemically designed product such as Megs Hybrid Ceramic Wax.

Why not? I don't think it will be much harm. If you don't like it try something else it will wear off. Thats the fun of detailing IMO.

I'm not going to touch, different chemically designed product! :buffing:

 

[rover137]

This is true! Trying different things and seeing how they work is half the fun.


I actually tried to remove Megs Hybrid Cermaic Wax from my car last week and had a very hard time.

Used a very strong strip snow foam, followed by the same wash in a bucket. Before the bucket wash I also sprayed a made up strip formula on the surface. Iron x and clay and it was still beading like day one! This was to a 3-4 month old coat.


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[Desertnate]

Why not? I don't think it will be much harm. If you don't like it try something else it will wear off. Thats the fun of detailing IMO.

I'm not going to touch, different chemically designed product! :buffing:

I don't think the topping product would harm anything, but you would loose some of the great characteristics of the coating. While you might like the slight change in appearance, the great sheeting/beading and self cleaning properties of the coating will be replaced by the properties of whatever you've placed on top. I've yet to see any waxes/sealants behave in that department as well as a coating. You just need to weigh the pro's/con's and think about what you're trying to accomplish.

 

[noorth]

I don't think the topping product would harm anything, but you would loose some of the great characteristics of the coating. While you might like the slight change in appearance, the great sheeting/beading and self cleaning properties of the coating will be replaced by the properties of whatever you've placed on top. I've yet to see any waxes/sealants behave in that department as well as a coating. You just need to weigh the pro's/con's and think about what you're trying to accomplish.

Yeah. I since changed my opinion on topping high quality ceramics with run of the mill products. If i was going to try it i would just top one panel. I don't have many waxes but i would give them away - to someone that would use them or sell them pretty quickly. I like to keep my "collection" very minimum.