Todd@RUPES
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I still don't see how this system can be any different then using any quality final polish and varying the cut with pads?
NEW! System One!!!
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ASPHALT ROCKET
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Todd, I agree with that.
Brian_Brice
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Me too, but if it helps some people simplify things have at it.
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I hear you Brian.
SpoiledMan
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Add me to this list.
Same here.
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Come on you guys...there has to be a 'flavour of the month' candidate and this is it (but just for once it does what it say's it will) on a par with Menz ...in my opinion..no, but each to there own.
The simple system of matching a foam pads abrassive ability to a polish and then with that same polish using a less agressive foam to finish is what it takes. Although I do think Menz polishes diminishing abrasives are superior :cheers:
Todd@RUPES
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A) Its flavor you silly Brit
B) At the Tampa Expo, we where told that diminshing abrasives are old technology and that they are "not engineered".... Also pictures where clearly drawn that showed how diminishing abrasives just break apart and tear into the existing paint, removing 90 percent of your clear coat on 1 pass, before they break into jagged little pieces, and remove the remaining clearcoat....
After sitting in the seminar, I can never bring myself to try this product.
Todd@RUPES
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Could be wrong, but doesn't edge hold the patent on the design?
budman3
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The concept of using a light polish with different pads like system one is nothing new. People have been using PB Pro Polish (essentially non-abrasive) as a lubricant for a wool pad on a rotary to remove 1500-2000 grit sanding marks for a few years. There are 7 of the 'one polish' systems on the market as well (I know of 4 now, see the other system 2 thread). As for the adaptor - that is made by Edge.
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Actually we don't have a patent on the design..... we have two Utility patents on the adapters and they are guaranteed for life so if you have any problems with them just send it back to AG and they will replace no questions! The pad and adapter are part of the Edge2000/3000 family made by Edge and the adapter used with the System one is the Edge3000 Industrial adapter. You can see a video about that here.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBHXyBmhKPc]YouTube - New Edge 2000 Industrial Adapter[/video]
rwisejr
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THe pad and adapter are the edge system .I have never had a problem with the adater but I bought one of the new industrial units and I am really pleased with it. It is easier and stronger . But the adapters carry a life time guarantee as far as I know and will be replaced. Contact Aaron ( THe Edge ) I am quite sure he will take care of any problem you would have with his adapter.
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I've tried it without taping off trim and can vouch for the fact that it doesn't stain trim. Although, like was mentioned, the buffer and the pad can still burn the paint. That is more based on the operator and the technique than the product.
So what I am getting from the naysayers is there is this new polish that several have independently confirmed that lives up to what the manufacturer claims it does... which happens to be at least what the very popular Menzerna polishes do and more (non-staining, water based, etc.)... costs less than Menzerna's nano polishes, but because you didn't like the personality of the owner demonstrating it in Florida last month, you will never buy it.
Have you ever met Sal Zaino? What about the owners and developers of Menzerna?
So what I am getting from the naysayers is there is this new polish that several have independently confirmed that lives up to what the manufacturer claims it does... which happens to be at least what the very popular Menzerna polishes do and more (non-staining, water based, etc.)... costs less than Menzerna's nano polishes, but because you didn't like the personality of the owner demonstrating it in Florida last month, you will never buy it.
Have you ever met Sal Zaino? What about the owners and developers of Menzerna?
Todd@RUPES
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I've tried it without taping off trim and can vouch for the fact that it doesn't stain trim. Although, like was mentioned, the buffer and the pad can still burn the paint. That is more based on the operator and the technique than the product.
So what I am getting from the naysayers is there is this new polish that several have independently confirmed that lives up to what the manufacturer claims it does... which happens to be at least what the very popular Menzerna polishes do and more (non-staining, water based, etc.)... costs less than Menzerna's nano polishes, but because you didn't like the personality of the owner demonstrating it in Florida last month, you will never buy it.
Have you ever met Sal Zaino? What about the owners and developers of Menzerna?
It has nothing to do with the personality of the owner. He seemed like a very nice, personable person. He just spewed a lot of misinfomration and had no problem twisting facts to support his skewed view point.
With out larger, more aggresive abrasives that break down, the polish cannot do what others do, period. If I need more cut then a finishing polish and wool pad, then system one leaves me hanging, because it doesn't offer anything more aggressive. On certain paints with certain levels of marring, System One would great, no doubt, but it has quite a few limitations. What if the paint is ultra soft, and the pad and polish leaves holograms? What if the paint is hard, and the foam pad doesn't have enough cut to remove the wool marring? These are two variables and there are many more.
The polish might be good (as you have stated it finishes out very nice), but what makes it different then using any finishing polish?
This guy took out 500 grit scratches at NACE in Las Vegas last October with this same setup...how much more aggressive of a cut do you need?
Todd@RUPES
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If he did, then it was on very soft paint, and any finishing polish would have done the same exact thing on that paint.
The premise of System One is that it uses a NON diminishing abrasive. For this abrasive to be able to finish out nice on most paints, it has to be very fine and offer little cut, other wise (since it doesn't break down) you would get a lot of hazing, hologramming, etc...
So any "cutting" it does is a function of the pad, not the polish (which is like 106ff already broken down), since the polish cannot have much cut and finish nice (because the abrasives don't break down).
Again, I ask, what is the difference between this fine polish and any other fine polish that uses the pad for cut? Or do the ultra fine, finishing abrasives define science and logic and magically become more abrasive, with altering size, sharpness, hardness, or structure?
If somebody can explain to me how this offers any benefit over using any other finishing polish on the market, then I would buy some. As others have stated, it is see through marketing and the flavor of the month.
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SpoiledMan
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I've removed sanding marks from a Corvette with 106ff and wool then used 106ff and light foam to finish.