NEW! System One!!!

dengood1 said:
Not intending to hijack, but what dressing was used on the tires? Looks nice.:D


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TH0001 said:
Does the same, how? Durabililty (nope). Look (maybe, but its all preference).
Also what does Zaino have to do with the fact that I have stated that I can get other finishing polishes to cut by varying the pad?
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Run a search if you want to find a few dozen threads arguing about the durability of DG vs Zaino. My point is that Zaino relies heavily on marketing and hype and that doesn't seem to bother you.
 
Can we try and keep this post on track and without any further attacks or off-shoots to other products ?? The information contained in these posts "could" be quite informitive ....
 
Sa//|XP said:
Run a search if you want to find a few dozen threads arguing about the durability of DG vs Zaino. My point is that Zaino relies heavily on marketing and hype and that doesn't seem to bother you.
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Why would it bother me? I find Zealots just as annoying as anybody else, so please don't lump me in with them because I use it as an LSP. I use many LSP's, but Zaino is popular in Florida, and I have many clients who request it.
 
Good call mod.

I think the debate will continue until *at least* Detail Fest.

I won't be there, but I would love to see the naysayers with their prep sol and their finishing polishes go up against SystemOne.

I mean really, the proof's in the pudding. Either the stuff does what it's supposed to, or it doesn't. It's just as easy to say it does it all as it is to say it doesn't do it all.

So how about we have an AG staff member video the challenge at Detail Fest? Naysayers, sign up to challenge SystemOne.

Remember people, competition is good for everyone. If this product is the bomb, other companies will have to come out with a competitive product and prices will drop. It will be good for the consumer. If the product is snake oil, it won't be long until that fact is uncovered.
 
flaco said:
Remind of us that information...which someone said was a 'ton'.

- Ferrari's have ceramic clears (they do, by the way, so that's not misinformation)
- Diminishing abrasives are not engineered (questionable, but for the sake of argument, let's say this is valid misinformation)
- The diagram about diminishing abrasives exagerrates how much paint is taken off

Need more to make a ton.

By the way, Toto was there too; maybe he can share what he thought was misinformation as well? I think we all agree he is a pro.
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Ferrari's may or may not have Ceramic Clear's (PPG claim's they do), but the paint is no where near as hard as a Benz. 90 percent (or more) of my clients are Ferrari's and I would say that most are on the softer side. The point was made that Ferrari paint is "hard" which I'm sure Brian would agree, isn't hard.

There, IMO, is nothing questionable about the amount of engineering abrasive meduims in traditional style diminishing abrasives. For the most part they are highly engineered.

The diagram is only part of the picture and was misrepresented to illustrate...
-That diminishing abrasives are dangerous
-That diminishing abrasives remove too much paint
-That diminishing abrasives cannot be controlled and that all you are doing is guessing
-That System One can magically remove the same depth scratch, while removing less paint

If you want to debate whether the amount of misinformation was a ton or not, fine, I concede because its not a point worth arguing with. The fact is that untruths where spoken, on any level.

If Toto wants to share his experience, he is more than welcome to. Of course I have the highest respect for his opinion (as well as anybody elses), his work, and most importantly, his personality. Just because I disagree doesn't not mean I don't respect something, it just means my experiences are different.

All magic aside, I have yet to see anybody answer the question, what can System One do that any quality finishing polish can't?
 
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TH0001 said:
All magic aside, I have yet to see anybody answer the question, what can System One do that any quality finishing polish can't?
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Like I already said, I would love to see a finishing polish go up against SystemOne at detail fest on a black hood in direct sunlight (maybe with a 160°F surface temp)...be it 500 grit scratches or 2000 grit scratches...

Can your polish do that? I'm not saying it can't, but I'm not aware of a polish with cutting and finishing performance that equals SystemOne and let's you do it in direct sunlight on hot paint. To me, that is a big selling point, because not all of us have garages to work in (like Toto). :)

Again, it's easy to make claims for and against a product, but nothing speaks louder than results in person.

So to answer you question, I don't think there is a polish on the market that cuts and finishes as well in the same amount of time in any polishing situation on any paint surface. If this polish does exist somewhere, it should be that company's only product, because there would be no need for anything else.

So what polish does everything System One claims to do?
 
flaco said:
Like I already said, I would love to see a finishing polish go up against SystemOne at detail fest on a black hood in direct sunlight (maybe with a 160°F surface temp)...be it 500 grit scratches or 2000 grit scratches...

Can your polish do that? I'm not saying it can't, but I'm not aware of a polish with cutting and finishing performance that equals SystemOne and let's you do it in direct sunlight on hot paint. To me, that is a big selling point, because not all of us have garages to work in (like Toto). :)

Again, it's easy to make claims for and against a product, but nothing speaks louder than results in person.

So to answer you question, I don't think there is a polish on the market that cuts and finishes as well in the same amount of time in any polishing situation on any paint surface. If this polish does exist somewhere, it should be that company's only product, because there would be no need for anything else.

So what polish does everything System One claims to do?
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Let me get this right, System One can cut 500 grit scratches on any paint in one pass, then by switching pads, finish out perfectly on the same paint. In two steps, in direct sunlight, on any black paint? Is that the claim you are saying it makes?
 
TH0001 said:
The only part that bothers me was the misinformation that they guy was selling to a room full of "pros".
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Judge the product by product itself or otherwise you might find one day you have ran out of products.
 
TH0001 said:
Let me get this right, System One can cut 500 grit scratches on any paint in one pass, then by switching pads, finish out perfectly on the same paint. In two steps, in direct sunlight, on any black paint? Is that the claim you are saying it makes?
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I'm not only saying they claim it, I've seen it done...except it depends on how you define 'one pass'.

If that means one stroke left to right or top to bottom, no, but if that means one application of polish and a few passes, yes.

Basically, what you see in the following video except with 500 grit instead of 2000 is what I've seen done.

[video=youtube_share;dtC2_DdvnWM] - Color Sanding Demo Video & SYSTEM ONE X3 Cutting Polish[/video]

Also, I wouldn't say any paint, because if you use 500 grit on ultra thin factory paint, you are in danger of going through, aren't you? (I am not sure...just guessing...not something I would try!)
 
ZoranC said:
Forgive me, Sir, for not expressing myself in the form that is to Your liking. May the Sir, please, provide me with His official guidelines so I can make sure my next post is more suitable, Sir? Can the Sir in the meantime honour us with his contribution of something actually valuable and on topic, please, Sir?
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Saw that under a snapple cap.
 
Gotta hand it to the guy, getting rid of those buff n shine pads was a solid move for sure!
 
Brian_Brice said:
Saw that under a snapple cap.
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... but never bothered to check what it says on M105 label?

Fortune cookies, Snapple caps (it's with a capital S), you seem in the need of better source of educational material.
 
^ :offtopic:

Since we all seem to like controversy, how about that SystemOne wax? :righton:
 
ZoranC said:
... but never bothered to check what it says on M105 label?

Fortune cookies, Snapple caps (it's with a capital S), you seem in the need of better source of educational material.
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Never said anything about 105 nor do I have a label to read Angela Landsbury, I think you should leave the espionage work to the pro's genius. FYI message board posts are only graded and picked apart by those who have the time.
 
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