This is my 2nd time using this and I'm not sure if I'm using enough. When I apply it, I use 1-2 sprays on a mf applicator per panel. I can see it going on but when I come back around to take it off, I can barely see it at all except for some small heavier spots. Is this how this stuff is?
303 Graphene
- Thread starter Elo76
- Start date
Rsurfer
Well-known member
- Jan 26, 2007
- 14,159
- 26
Try a few more sprays per panel, It sets up a substantial Haze for me but I wipe it off and buff 3 min later so you’re only about one panel ahead from doing the job, it’s much harder to get off if you put it on the whole car and then try and wipe off the haze.
Coatingsarecrack
Well-known member
- Dec 9, 2018
- 7,884
- 574
You definitely are getting performance that most aren’t with that product…. A month is definitely short.
11 months…… well…..bull
That gloss your seeing was probably your preparation.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
11 months…… well…..bull
That gloss your seeing was probably your preparation.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Don M
Active member
- Jan 8, 2010
- 2,254
- 14
Are you shaking it up well before and during application? I shake it up before applying it to the applicator pad *each time.* Shake it up, apply to pad then apply to car and repeat each time before I apply it to the pad again.
I think I'm using 2 - 4 "half sprays" per panel...I spray it on the applicator, then start wiping it on the finish and if I feel that it's no longer applying 'even coverage' I hit the applicator with another 1/2 spray (after shaking it up again) and continue.
There is a definite and substantial haze when applying it this way. I'll admit, I'm not using the best microfibers to remove the haze - Walmart cheapies - and I tend to need a final clean microfiber once I get all the haze removed for a "final wipe," to get rid of any high spot or areas not completely wiped clean during the removal of the haze.
Like I mentioned in my post referenced above, with NO preventative maintenance (washing/use of a drying aid/topping) the APPEARANCE of the car remained outstanding, but the water behavior fell off quite a bit on the top surfaces (except for the glass...it still beaded/sheeted quite well) and that was even with what I felt was improper application.
I haven't had a chance to test my most recent application of 2 coats, 19 hours apart due to work, weather and getting double pneumonia, in fact, I haven't even driven or been in my car, or seen it out of the garage in 2 1/2 weeks. And with the temps in the low 50s, I don't see a proper wash happening for a while.
I hope this helps.
Don M
Active member
- Jan 8, 2010
- 2,254
- 14
P.S.
Even though it seems like I'm using a lot of product, I've put 2 coats on my wife's Escape, 2 coats on my niece's Soul and about 6 coats on my Camaro, I still have a solid 1/2 bottle left of my first bottle and I even bought a 2nd bottle despite having so much left in the 1st bottle, because the APPEARANCE of the cars after using it was so phenomenal that even if the hydrophobics "only" hold up roughly 3 months, reapplication every 3 months is not a hardship or unreasonable to me.
BTW, what color is the car you are applying the 303 to? On my black Camaro, the haze is blatantly obvious, a bit less so on my wife's strawberry - red Escape and my niece's red Soul. If you have a lighter colored car, the haze may not be as obvious to you. On the Camaro, the haze is clearly white, even though the removal towels (which are bright yellow) turn dingy with black 'staining' upon removing the 303.
Even though it seems like I'm using a lot of product, I've put 2 coats on my wife's Escape, 2 coats on my niece's Soul and about 6 coats on my Camaro, I still have a solid 1/2 bottle left of my first bottle and I even bought a 2nd bottle despite having so much left in the 1st bottle, because the APPEARANCE of the cars after using it was so phenomenal that even if the hydrophobics "only" hold up roughly 3 months, reapplication every 3 months is not a hardship or unreasonable to me.
BTW, what color is the car you are applying the 303 to? On my black Camaro, the haze is blatantly obvious, a bit less so on my wife's strawberry - red Escape and my niece's red Soul. If you have a lighter colored car, the haze may not be as obvious to you. On the Camaro, the haze is clearly white, even though the removal towels (which are bright yellow) turn dingy with black 'staining' upon removing the 303.
- Thread starter
- #9
Thanks for the info. I was definitely not using enough product. I applied it on a red Ram and then a white durango. White was very hard to see as usual, but thats with any product.
Do you think this lasts longer than collonite 845?
RippyD
Active member
- Jan 24, 2016
- 1,258
- 4
I doubt the quality of the MF matters to the sealant.
This stuff is a little harder to remove than most other wipe-on-wipe-off sealants. I got a little over 6 months duration on my test panel with it. It lasts much longer than most spray sealants. but it also doesn't apply like a spray wax. It has the advantage of being waterproof with no cure time.
Jescar Bead-It, Stoner Bead Max, and a Nanoskin wipe-on-walk-away product (not sold here) all lasted about the same duration as 303 Graphene. These are the longest lasting non-paste/cream sealants I've tried.
If somebody is getting only a month with 303 Graphene I have to question their application.
What are you using to wash? If using a SIO2 wash you are likely seeing the wash refreshing a worn out 303 application.
The Guz
Well-known member
- Jun 17, 2013
- 8,786
- 65
I believe it was mentioned that on occasion, CarPro Elixir has been used over 303 Graphene.
RippyD
Active member
- Jan 24, 2016
- 1,258
- 4
CarPro Reset almost exclusively. I don't use any soaps with gloss enhancers over the products I'm testing for just that reason.
The basis of my car is 303 graphene. Never polished, just applied on a new car after a touchless car wash. It is washed biweekly in a touchless car wash set on rinse, no soaps, it has been hit with a car pro elixir ONCE in June. Other than that it received two coats of 303 applied by orbital back in January and like I said, still looks like I did it yesterday. Not important to me what anybody else thinks, I’m getting amazing longevity out of 303. Garage kept in Florida.
Don M
Active member
- Jan 8, 2010
- 2,254
- 14
It's been so long since I used 845 that I wouldn't even hazard a guess and that was back when I was WAY over applying products...not just using a few drops on the PCs pad, I was using WAY too much and my results weren't that great. Products that should have wiped right off were extremely difficult to remove and in the case of the 845, it left an oily film that I couldn't remove totally.
It IS a bit harder to remove than most of the others, BUT, IMO it's more of a relaxed process than say the TW Hybrid Solutions where you have to try and buff off the residue BEFORE it flashes, otherwise you'll get streaking and smearing (unless you use the "Damp towel, Dry towel" removal method). With the 303, all I've noticed are some high spots (unremoved product smearing) after buffing which is why I take an unused mf when I'm done with the removal to wipe down the car to easily get rid of any remaining product. Too, I've noticed that while you have to buff 'harder' to remove the 303, I'm not inducing ANY swirls or micro scratches from the extra pressure - even on my black Camaro, which is a BIG plus for me.
How long do you estimate 303 graph. lasts when the car is covered, untouched and garage kept, for 5 mos. at a time?
Don M
Active member
- Jan 8, 2010
- 2,254
- 14
If you are applying the 303, then garaging and storing the car for the winter, I don't see why it shouldn't hold up the entire time it's in storage since there will be no environmental assaults on your car's finish.
My car is garage kept in Florida, but it was never kept five months at a time sitting, it is used every day, I live here year-round. This includes a 2000 mile trip to the NE this past summer. Sorry, but I still contend I’m getting better results with 303 than I’ve gotten with practically anything else I’ve used. And I’ve been detailing about 15 years.
Interesting other than the fact maybe a bad batch, there are other factors to consider like environment, how often you clean vehicle, topper or no toppers, Preparation of the paint is key before any kind protection is put on paint, pretty good you getting that durability and its garaged kept
Sent from my iPhone using Autogeekonline mobile app