Tom Horvath Owner SYSTEM ONE

It was asked before the last time he logged in, seems to be avoiding the question.
 
Welcome aboard. I've seen the product videos - very cool. I would also like to know how it would wotk with a UDM/PC/Flex as opposed to a rotary.
 
Welcome Tom .Great products and love how they are working out.I and a few others would like to know if you will have a 6 inch version of the 2 sided wool and foam pad which will make it a little more manueverable in tighter spots. Thanks in advance
 
rwisejr said:
Welcome Tom .Great products and love how they are working out.I and a few others would like to know if you will have a 6 inch version of the 2 sided wool and foam pad which will make it a little more maneuverable in tighter spots. Thanks in advance
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I think a 6" pad is the ticket...I bought a few 8" Edge wools and used them..I went out and bought some 6" wools and found them to be so much better as far as maneuvering and getting into smaller areas...

6" inch is more controllable for me...

Al
 
ZoranC said:
I have never seen such a pileup on person (vendor) ever since I tackled that offense guy down in high school and that was quite a few years ago. Such a high dose of scrutiny surprises me considering I have seen products come without any scrutiny and then get not a single word of criticism, not even from those that used them, much less from those that never tried them, even though they turned out to be slightly less than stellar.

That aside (before it turns out into something Meghan would not like) I will just say when I asked same question one of distributors moons ago I was told "no fillers". My very brief test spot wipedown indicated no fillers too. However, no distributor can speak on behalf of manufacturer, and I can not either (it can be also that my wipedown was not good enough), so man should be given fair chance with enough time to answer question himself like Meghan suggested.

With that being said I am naturally curious to have my test spot finding either validated or invalidated. I have a spare sample bottle of it at home. Whoever wants to drop by it is theirs under condition to do it in front of me with test spots on vehicle they bring and on my vehicle so I can learn and see whatever the result turns out to be with my own eyes. Person can bring their own wipe down chemicals and I will provide what I have on hand and towels.

Hopefully that would put this kind of question to rest forever in the best interest of community. How is that? Sounds fair and constructive?
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Remember kids, don't log on immediately following your weekend bender:righton::D
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
It was asked before the last time he logged in, seems to be avoiding the question.
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Here we go!!! Just spend the $15 or so and buy a bottle and try it out for yourself. Try it out on all these "details" that you say you do.

Instead of taking everyone else's word, I bought a bottle. If it works, great... if not, I'm not out anything big.
 
Seeking me out I see, thats fine, atleast I do details and not wash and waxes. I think Jesus would take offense to your behavior by trying to start something with me. Aren't you suppose stop things like that, not start them. I just said my opinion if you don't like it don't respond.
 
I agree with you scott, there was no need for his first comment, I am not much for letting stuff like that go. it should be done now after I pm'd him.
 
Back on track,
I just went to dinner
Let’s talk about fillers
SYSTEM ONE X3 cutting polish has NO fillers because SYSTEM ONE is water based.

Lubricants is another name for fillers and one side effect of a filler product can be clearly seen after a wipe down with soap and water to remove any water based lubrication and then a prep sol or mineral spirit to wipe down to see the true finish of the paint.

This is the procedure we use to check SYSTEM ONE X3 cutting polish and all competitors product.
WUSIWUG or what you see is what you get with SYSTEM ONE it real!

The first demo we do with SYSTEM ONE X3 polish is to polish a old sun beaten head light lens
Cut it with 1000 grit paper and soap and water, sand until all oxidation is gone
Then buff with a wool pad and SYSTEM ONE X3 cutting polish it buffs fast and looks like new with no swirl marks and I only use a wool pad.
It’s a fun demo and it looks great


have you ever used Menzerna polishes?
No I can’t say I have.
 
"Welcome aboard. I've seen the product videos - very cool. I would also like to know how it would wotk with a UDM/PC/Flex as opposed to a rotary"

You know I've heard that SYSTEM ONE X3 cutting polish work great with a PC
I have used it with a flex forced rotation tool and it works OK
but the best tool for removing fine scratches or halograms for me is the FEQ 150 Festool

What is a UDM?
 
rwisejr said:
Welcome Tom .Great products and love how they are working out.I and a few others would like to know if you will have a 6 inch version of the 2 sided wool and foam pad which will make it a little more manueverable in tighter spots. Thanks in advance
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Yes we do have a 3 inch double sided pad and a 6 inch double sided pad
 
How about if you explain it being used on paint instead of a headlight. When you do ipa or prep-sol wipe down when used on paint how much fill is there?
 
Tom, I had a number of questions and I am not sure how much detail you will be willing to go into. However, I know it can clear up a lot of skeptism I am having and perhaps anwser other's questions as well.

1) I understand the concept of what you are saying with your polish being safer. I was at your demonstration in Tampa as strongly disagreed with the way you presented diminishing abbrasives as being dangerous. Let's say, for arguements sake, that clear coat is an inch thick, and that there is a scratch that is 1/10 an inch deep. To remove this scratch we have to remove 1/10 of the clear coat (a little more because the scratch will be chased down as well but you understand). If we half to remove 1/10 to blend the scratch, at what point is your product safer and removing less paint? 1/10 is 1/10, correct?

2) I have spoken to several people that formulate abrasives/polishes and the general agreement is that the abrasives will break down and that "non diminishing abrasive" is a play on words. To clarify, would you say that the abrasives that are wiped of the paint at the end of working the polish are the same in size and cut (no degradation) as "fresh polish".

3) When you say the product is water based, would you also say that the only lubrication in the product is pure H2o? There are no added silcones, mineral or other oils, solvents, or PTFE. I know Menzerna uses and oil and water emulsion, I am wondering if yours is the same.

4) From my understanding, you say that micro abrasives are more aggresive then a traditional cutting abrasive when used with a wool pad and less aggresive with a foam pad. I have used many finishing polishes with traditonal diminishing abrasives with a wool pad and found them to cut a lot (due to the pad). Would you say that the additonal cut System One has is because of the pad (similar to using any finishing polish on an aggresive pad) or does the product itself become more aggresive because of the pad. Would a traditonal rubbing compound still cut more then X3 on a similar wool pad?

I really appericate you comming on here to anwser our questions. It really says a lot about the character of your company and your believe. As you can tell, while I have a background in science, I am kind a novice when it comes to the engineering of polishes, though I try to learn as much as possible.

Thanks again!

PS, sorry about the spelling and gramatical errors, it is pasted my bedtime.
 
ZoranC said:
So why you have logged on then?

Let's see, you are disrespectful toward vendor and AGO after repeated requests by mod that those that are contributing nothing to discussion on the product shut up and stop destroying threads on it, disrespectful toward Meghan by repeatedly ignoring her repeated requests, and disrespectful toward AG by directly hurting their effort to put this product in front of the community through your behavior. If I was Meghan I would have kicked your bella machina out of here in no time flat because such disrespect and her can not be bought out with an offer of a free detail like you did, and even if it could there is a number of guys out there at least ten times better than you that would gladly do same for her and are not disrespectful toward neither her nor AG/AGO.

Feel free to go back to reviving cow hides if you have nothing constructive to contribute.
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Its Bella Macchina. No big deal I used to make that mistake as well and I speak Italian.:cheers:
 
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Welcome to the Autogeek forum, and I will say I appreciate you giving of your time to answer contributors questions about your products, something rare these days (IMO a marketing opportunity lost by most other vendors, strange as detailing forums make up a large part of the car care product market)

I'm sorry I digress, TH0001 and Totoland are my 'hands on' guides when it comes to polishing, these days I'm more into passing on knowledge and my experience by answering forums questions and writing articles / books on detailing.

As others, I'm looking forward to your product usage insights and information

Again -welcome

JonM
 
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