Ceramic Coating Haze

[dlc95]

I remember reading an interview with Dr. G, one of the early originators of coatings, and he said they made it for people that did not want to detail their cars and wash their cars every week, something that would be much more permanent. So I went ahead and used several coatings for a few years and then decided , why do I need a permanent coating? As a hobby detailer I don’t mind doing my car every six months or something, so I did move to silicone sprays and wipe on semi coatings I guess you would call them. I just use cancoat this week and was very impressed with the ease of use to put on the semi permanent coating.

I have probably coated 8 to 10 cars with various coatings, Cquartz 22 PLE, opti-coat and a few others that I forgot, and twice I’ve had the polisher out getting rid of mistakes, getting rid of all of it because I had the same situation as here, or dark in spots , or just bad distribution of the product. I had a anthracite Corvette C7 that absolutely had mistakes all over it even though I had used the same absolute process and bottle a week before on another car and it was perfect. And both surfaces were pristine/corrected/clean, it wasn’t something that reacted with the paint, it was just a mess.I never wanna go through that again.

Just my opinion, those of you that are happy with the permanent coatings, have at it.

And don’t get me going about RELOAD, at least the first version of it, that product is death from above…

Officially getting you started on Reload!

 

[dlc95]

I hear you - I never want to go through what I went through the other day again either.
Everything was just going so wrong no matter what I did, and after all that time prepping it was incredibly frustrating. Especially as you have to keep the car off the road for even longer if you want to fix it right away, or schedule more days in if you want to do it all over again. I planned this detail months in advance as I had to take time off work and figure out where not having a car for 3-5 days was possible. Then there is the prep I have to do in my garage to get ready which is about half day as well. As well as scheduling based on weather. If I had a proper studio or area to wash and detail it wouldn’t be as hard logistically. If I took the coating out of my full detail process it would certainly speed things up quite a bit! All part of learning I guess!


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That is incredibly disheartening. Been there!

Maybe something like Optimum Gloss Coat would work for you? It's still my favorite ceramic coating because it holds up, is easy to apply, and after an hour I can apply Opti-Seal and kick it out the door.

 

[rover137]

That is incredibly disheartening. Been there!

Maybe something like Optimum Gloss Coat would work for you? It's still my favorite ceramic coating because it holds up, is easy to apply, and after an hour I can apply Opti-Seal and kick it out the door.

It is a time when you just want things to go right!

I am thinking maybe for my next coating (if I stick with them) I’ll try one of the new Gyeon range. They seem quite good and have peaked my interest. I’ll see how this holds up after the first wash and after I fix these issues. It does look quite good in the areas that aren’t hazed, smeared or have high spots. It really seems to darken the paint.


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[dlc95]

It is a time when you just want things to go right!

I am thinking maybe for my next coating (if I stick with them) I’ll try one of the new Gyeon range. They seem quite good and have peaked my interest. I’ll see how this holds up after the first wash and after I fix these issues. It does look quite good in the areas that aren’t hazed, smeared or have high spots. It really seems to darken the paint.


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Best of luck!

If I wasn't compelled to work with them at the shop. I would have given up on them for my own use - outside of Gloss Coat. And though I'm dabbling with the Carpro offerings, I might go back to only offering Gloss Coat, and (eventually) Opti-Coat if I can get approved.

 

[oneheadlite]

That is incredibly disheartening. Been there!

Maybe something like Optimum Gloss Coat would work for you? It's still my favorite ceramic coating because it holds up, is easy to apply, and after an hour I can apply Opti-Seal and kick it out the door.

Care to share your preferred Gloss Coat application method or any other pointers?

I’m trying to get myself to use up what’s on the shelf first, and I’ve had a tube of Gloss Coat that I keep passing over. Still trying to decide if I use it on my car or the Mrs’, but this spring I should really give it a shot.

 

[rover137]

Best of luck!

If I wasn't compelled to work with them at the shop. I would have given up on them for my own use - outside of Gloss Coat. And though I'm dabbling with the Carpro offerings, I might go back to only offering Gloss Coat, and (eventually) Opti-Coat if I can get approved.

Thanks!

I am still not sure if I will do another coating.
If this freshly applied coating were to now get water spots that required polishing to remove - well that would 100% push me over the line to never bothering again.

There are some pretty good sealants and spray coatings out there these days where the bottle would last longer than any coating if used at the right intervals. I was getting 4-6 months from some sealants in the past and the bottle probably had 15+ applications In it.


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[TTQ B4U]

Never heard of that coating, but honestly, it's why I stick with the main 3-5 players in the market. Coatings like CarPro and GYEON also have corresponding polishes/base-coat products like Essence and Primer that work great. They not only do their job of correcting and adding gloss but they lay down a base-layer of product that makes the application of their coatings as easy as can be.

I'd simply polish and re-coat using one of them.

 

[rover137]

Never heard of that coating, but honestly, it's why I stick with the main 3-5 players in the market. Coatings like CarPro and GYEON also have corresponding polishes/base-coat products like Essence and Primer that work great. They not only do their job of correcting and adding gloss but they lay down a base-layer of product that makes the application of their coatings as easy as can be.

I'd simply polish and re-coat using one of them.

They are quite a reputable company and it’s meant to be a pretty good coating. I have a lot of their other stuff and it’s top notch. I don’t know what has happened here. Primer polishes do interest me, but I still have 3/4 of a bottle of the stuff I use and apparently primers don’t last long once opened. I’m only polishing our cars once every 1-2 years.

I don’t really have the time to polish and recoat the whole car anytime soon unfortunately. I think I’m going to have fix this as best I can and go from there. Apart from the problematic areas (and horrible application) it does look very nice.


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[dlc95]

Care to share your preferred Gloss Coat application method or any other pointers?

I’m trying to get myself to use up what’s on the shelf first, and I’ve had a tube of Gloss Coat that I keep passing over. Still trying to decide if I use it on my car or the Mrs’, but this spring I should really give it a shot.

I tend to stick to the manufacturer recommendations. So I enjoy using their blue foam applicator. I also try and use their panel prep beforehand if possible.

The most perplexing part for me was knowing when to add more coating to the applicator.

But I eventually realized that you want to lay down enough coating that it will flash away. Just applying residue isn't going to cause the flash effect, and will need to be wiped off. For as easy and forgiving as some of the Optimum stuff can be, it has a pretty defined learning curve for me any ways.

 

[dlc95]

Thanks!

I am still not sure if I will do another coating.
If this freshly applied coating were to now get water spots that required polishing to remove - well that would 100% push me over the line to never bothering again.

There are some pretty good sealants and spray coatings out there these days where the bottle would last longer than any coating if used at the right intervals. I was getting 4-6 months from some sealants in the past and the bottle probably had 15+ applications In it.


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Completely understood.

Great reminder about the water spotting thing. I need to keep that in mind as I test these coatings.

I'm still a big fan of sealants too. Duragloss 111, and Aquawax are staples in my arsenal.

 

[glen e]

I just don’t see a need to use coatings anymore unless you are a detailer that has a far away customer and you can’t get them to do any type of procedures to keep the car clean. But s SIO2 sprays and graphene and other things now have come so far and getting good six month protection I just don’t see the need for it. And I certainly don’t need a polisher to make up for a mistake.

Back in 2008 through 2012 when I was using optimum opticoat, Coatings gave you a better candy like gloss then polymer and conventional waxes. But now with the new sprays., I get that too without all the hassle of water spots or improper application. In fact, 3O3 Graphene gave me a better gloss than any coating I’ve ever used. And Gyeon cancoat that I recently used was very surprising with the amount of gloss/candy look without all the hassle of application. Very happy with that product.

 

[rover137]

Completely understood.

Great reminder about the water spotting thing. I need to keep that in mind as I test these coatings.

I'm still a big fan of sealants too. Duragloss 111, and Aquawax are staples in my arsenal.

The water spotting thing worries me greatly. For example, it is raining here all week and my coating is currently only 4 days old. How do I drive to work and then leave water on my car for 8-10hrs before I get home and can dry it? Logistically just takes a lot to plan.

Definitely some good sealants around.


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[rover137]

I just don’t see a need to use coatings anymore unless you are a detailer that has a far away customer and you can’t get them to do any type of procedures to keep the car clean. But s SIO2 sprays and graphene and other things now have come so far and getting good six month protection I just don’t see the need for it. And I certainly don’t need a polisher to make up for a mistake.

Back in 2008 through 2012 when I was using optimum opticoat, Coatings gave you a better candy like gloss then polymer and conventional waxes. But now with the new sprays., I get that too without all the hassle of water spots or improper application. In fact, 3O3 Graphene gave me a better gloss than any coating I’ve ever used. And Gyeon cancoat that I recently used was very surprising with the amount of gloss/candy look without all the hassle of application. Very happy with that product.

You make some good points. Some of these Sio2 sprays also have extremely good water behavior nowadays.

The one thing I like about a coating is the measurable layer they provide. Whether this negates the other issues mentioned - I don’t know.


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