First go - ceramic coating, experienced detailer

Surprised no one made this suggestion to Danube. You and I both come from a similar detailing background. Collinite 845 fans. The art of that material was LESS is MORE!!!
I made note in another thread my slow climb into the SiO2 world.
1. Blackfire SiO2
2. Griots 3 in 1.
3. now Gyeon Can Coat Evo. BTW IT LASTS A YEAR EASY UNLESS YOU LIVE IN HELL!! Just like our 845 lasted a LONG time.

If I were you, I'd save the Mohs for now. Buy a small bottle of Can Coat Evo and use it for practice. In 845/wax world , it was all about the application....then just wipe off.
In siO2 world, you are 100% correct that it is all about the timing of the removal! Even with can Coat, I had a few areas to correct my first time. We are both VERY used to applying a side of a car, etc instead of panel by panel. The Mohs won't go bad, but you gotta walk before you run.................

BTW, also I was a devote fan of Griots Best in Show for years but its not ceramic, so my limited understanding is that its actually not as good as the finish you a[pplied. I have a bottle of gyeon Ceramic detailer now. EASY TO USE as long as you use it SPARINGLY!!!

Good luck. Go slow to adapt to the tech. JIMHO.
 
ddsski said:
Surprised no one made this suggestion to Danube. You and I both come from a similar detailing background. Collinite 845 fans. The art of that material was LESS is MORE!!!
I made note in another thread my slow climb into the SiO2 world.
1. Blackfire SiO2
2. Griots 3 in 1.
3. now Gyeon Can Coat Evo. BTW IT LASTS A YEAR EASY UNLESS YOU LIVE IN HELL!! Just like our 845 lasted a LONG time.

If I were you, I'd save the Mohs for now. Buy a small bottle of Can Coat Evo and use it for practice. In 845/wax world , it was all about the application....then just wipe off.
In siO2 world, you are 100% correct that it is all about the timing of the removal! Even with can Coat, I had a few areas to correct my first time. We are both VERY used to applying a side of a car, etc instead of panel by panel. The Mohs won't go bad, but you gotta walk before you run.................

BTW, also I was a devote fan of Griots Best in Show for years but its not ceramic, so my limited understanding is that its actually not as good as the finish you a[pplied. I have a bottle of gyeon Ceramic detailer now. EASY TO USE as long as you use it SPARINGLY!!!

Good luck. Go slow to adapt to the tech. JIMHO.
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Thank you for the heads up, great ideas right there.

But I'm itching to give it a go, I know you understand.
 
The OP here, finally the D day came yesterday - my 1st ceramic coating installation after 10+yrs of using wax only.

No high spots at all - the temperature in Australia where I live was about +16C, so after application I immediately started the removal (yes, the sweating just started prior).

Interestingly I only used about 22ml of the Gyeon Mohs Evo .. something was telling me that less is more.

After inspection I can confirm every inch was covered, no high spots, no omissions.

Gyeon Prep was a bit of disappointment, so I had to be extra cautious, as the paint correction was next to perfect.

I found that selection of MF rugs was very important. The fluffy ones should be avoided at all cost !



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Danube said:
Interestingly I only used about 22ml of the Gyeon Mohs Evo .. something was telling me that less is more.
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I've noticed the Gyeon coatings go on a little thicker than CarPro and you use a bit more product. From my two Gyeon applications, you used about what I have. On a similar car with CQUK, I use about 15ml. [/quote]

Gyeon Prep was a bit of disappointment, so I had to be extra cautious, as the paint correction was next to perfect.
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What didn't you like? With any prep product you need to be very careful.

I found that selection of MF rugs was very important. The fluffy ones should be avoided at all cost !
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For the coating removal? I've found the same thing. The lower the nap on the MF towels, the easier it is to remove/buff out the surfaces.
 
Nicely done, Danube!

Feel proud, my friend, and know you now have robust protection on that paint!
 
Desertnate said:
I've noticed the Gyeon coatings go on a little thicker than CarPro and you use a bit more product. From my two Gyeon applications, you used about what I have. On a similar car with CQUK, I use about 15ml.
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Yes, I think that instructional videos in general show too much product being thrown on the applicator, probably to show the sweating effect .. The Kohs Evo feels like a fairly oily liquid that needs to be spreaded evenly .. in a way it reminds me of my good old 845 on a yellow Megs applicator.



What didn't you like? With any prep product you need to be very careful.
The residue and the way it wouldn't wipe off the way I'd expect. Some streaking as well. The surface was squeaky clean, yes, but it needed a lot of work to get there.



For the coating removal? I've found the same thing. The lower the nap on the MF towels, the easier it is to remove/buff out the surfaces.[/QUOTE]
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Paul A. said:
Nicely done, Danube!

Feel proud, my friend, and know you now have robust protection on that paint!
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Thank you.

I feel that good preparation is the key, the coating itself is easy, at least in my case.

I will now concentrate on another car from our family and repeat the process.
 
SNP209 said:
I would do a test spot with both and go from there. Maybe try a 50/50 mix and see how that goes?
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I was thinking the same using one panel as an ''experiment''.

I doubt there will be any big difference, as the paint is so slinky after the Mohs Evo .. the water just fly off.
 
DFB said:
If it were me, I would use the Gyeon product, although I would love to hear how the BSD works on a ceramic coating.
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Fellow forum member Loach tested out BSD on top of a coating and it played nicely. Sure it lacks in slickness but the hydrophobics are pretty impressive.

 
SNP209 said:
Fellow forum member Loach tested out BSD on top of a coating and it played nicely. Sure it lacks in slickness but the hydrophobics are pretty impressive.

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I really appreciate his advise to fully let the coating mature, before applying any toppers .. he is mentioning 1 month+. That really makes sense.

As my coating is not even a month old, I'll let it mature a bit longer.

Any further thoughts on this topic guys ?!?
 
Danube said:
I was thinking the same using one panel as an ''experiment''.

I doubt there will be any big difference, as the paint is so slinky after the Mohs Evo .. the water just fly off.
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This is a great point. From what I've seen of Mohs Evo on our vehicle, anything you put on the coating will likely reduce the water behavior, not enhance or equal it. I'm not easily impressed, but I find it pretty impressive. Even my beloved ECH2O probably isn't as good.
 
Desertnate said:
This is a great point. From what I've seen of Mohs Evo on our vehicle, anything you put on the coating will likely reduce the water behavior, not enhance or equal it. I'm not easily impressed, but I find it pretty impressive. Even my beloved ECH2O probably isn't as good.
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Ive found that Amplify from armour detail supply to actually add slickness to both our mohs evo coated vehicles. Noticed No negitive water behavoir

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Desertnate said:
This is a great point. From what I've seen of Mohs Evo on our vehicle, anything you put on the coating will likely reduce the water behavior, not enhance or equal it. I'm not easily impressed, but I find it pretty impressive. Even my beloved ECH2O probably isn't as good.
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Yes. It's hard to imagine that any other product than the Mohs Evo can offer better water ''behavior''.

At least I haven't' seen anything like that before.
 
Danube said:
Yes. It's hard to imagine that any other product than the Mohs Evo can offer better water ''behavior''.

At least I haven't' seen anything like that before.
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Markus Kleis (former meguiar's employee) has stated that Meguiar's M799 hybrid ceramic bead booster was designed to never take a step backwards in regards to hydrophobic properties. Meguiar's hybrid ceramic detailer shares similar chemistry and after using it as a topper I am inclined to believe his statement.

 
SNP209 said:
Markus Kleis (former meguiar's employee) has stated that Meguiar's M799 hybrid ceramic bead booster was designed to never take a step backwards in regards to hydrophobic properties. Meguiar's hybrid ceramic detailer shares similar chemistry and after using it as a topper I am inclined to believe his statement.

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Whatever happened to that 799 coating that they had out or where going to have out?

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opie said:
Whatever happened to that 799 coating that they had out or where going to have out?

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M788 has been discontinued. My guess is due to the price of $79.99 for a 1 year coating didn't appeal to a lot of people and they came out with hybrid paint coating.
 
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