Rinseless Washes - 2022

[BLM]

This ^^^^ looks good from the video. What I want from a rinseless is one that cleans. Don't want one that is "insane". We have to deal with enough insanity in our lives without having it in our rinseless wash.
Could not find a 2000 GSM towel on their website. All the towels I saw were 1600 gsm.

 

[BLM]

Must be good money in rinseless or everyone wouldn't be developing one.
So along those lines production costs have to be similar for all rinseless washes or at least they should be similar so the more expensive ones have to be making a bundle on it.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I wanna eventually get down to 3, 1 pure clean and 2 for gloss/protection...heaven help me

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Try KC RR. I like it better then Fenylab v1


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[Setec Astronomy]

Setec, what's the issue for you when using towels? I only use them to change things up or when the dust/dirt is light. The nice thing about the "GD method" is this...there's always a clean wash media whenever you want/need one

As you said, I find towels ok if the car isn't too dirty, I just have never been able to really like towels or the GD method. I like MF wash pads, I really would like to like the GD method, as I think it would be a faster wash than rinsing the media, and I did buy a bunch of wash pads on sale to see if I can do a GD method that way, but I haven't tried it yet.

 

[chilly]

As you said, I find towels ok if the car isn't too dirty, I just have never been able to really like towels or the GD method. I like MF wash pads, I really would like to like the GD method, as I think it would be a faster wash than rinsing the media, and I did buy a bunch of wash pads on sale to see if I can do a GD method that way, but I haven't tried it yet.

I resisted sponges for close to 20 years and was a GD guy all the way, but I have to admit, to me anyway, the sponge actually saves time, although to me that is a very minor consideration

It is also gratifying, and some times terrifying, to see the layer of mung in the bottom of the bucket when you pull the grit guard and go to empty it

I am especially shocked by the larger grit, almost like sand, that I see in the bottom of the bucket

Using the GD method I kind of treated my RW bucket like a sourdough starter; I would just keep adding water and RW concentrate as I depleted it but now using a sponge and a single bucket with grit guard, I dump it at the end and review what I find in the bottom

I am thinking of adding a rinse bucket this winter with a weaker RW solution and a "washboard" as well as a grit guard

 

[chilly]

896:1...

Well, everything else aside, I will give her one thing

She seems passionate about what she is doing and she had the guts to actually demonstrate a RW on an actually dirty car

You don't see that every day

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I am thinking of adding a rinse bucket this winter with a weaker RW solution and a "washboard" as well as a grit guard

That's the way I've always done it...well, for as long as the washboard part has been around, before that just a grit guard. I may eventually try one of those ski slope ones they sell at Autofiber.

 

[chilly]

That's the way I've always done it...well, for as long as the washboard part has been around, before that just a grit guard. I may eventually try one of those ski slope ones they sell at Autofiber.

So, thinking on the second bucket for rinsing, what do you guys think of using a different RW concentrate for rinsing?

I am thinking about economy here, using a less expensive, but still capable RW rather than doubling your "per wash" cost and usage of something relatively expensive and harder to come by

I am thinking if you use something that is good at releasing dirt from the wash media, and then REALLY wring out your sponge/pad/towel, you would limit any back contamination and watering down of your primary RW solution

 

[Klasse Act]

Already thinking maybe I am misunderstanding this but the second bucket is always just plain clear water

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[Setec Astronomy]

Already thinking maybe I am misunderstanding this but the second bucket is always just plain clear water

I always put a little of the RW in my rinse bucket just to keep from diluting the wash too much, I used to use about 1/4 the amount, lately a little more...but that could be an effort on my part to use up some of my washes so I can get with the program on some of these newer ones.

And to Chilly's question about using a different RW in the rinse...I've never thought of doing that and it's something I don't think I would do...but it is an interesting thought for trying to use up old stuff...and seeing how I have been thinking about using foaming ONR or Preludio as a presoak, that would effectively be mixing rinselesses, I guess, so maybe it's not such an off-the-wall idea. You'd just have to put some thought into it so you don't cancel out any properties you are looking for.

 

[chilly]

Already thinking maybe I am misunderstanding this but the second bucket is always just plain clear water

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I'm not sure that is always the case, several "experts" add a bit of RW to the rinse bucket to help the media shed the dirt it has picked up

That's part of what a good rinseless is supposed to do, help the media self clean when rinsing, so why not give that crap a better chance of ending up in the rinse bucket than the "clean" bucket

I am just saying

 

[Setec Astronomy]

After coming to Autopia in 2004 and learning about rinse buckets and grit guards, I could never bring myself to do a rinseless wash in a single bucket, except under extreme circumstances where either the car is just dusty, or the few times I have taken a mixed bucket somewhere else to wash someone's car, and didn't want to bring a separate (full) rinse bucket.

 

[chilly]

After coming to Autopia in 2004 and learning about rinse buckets and grit guards, I could never bring myself to do a rinseless wash in a single bucket, except under extreme circumstances where either the car is just dusty, or the few times I have taken a mixed bucket somewhere else to wash someone's car, and didn't want to bring a separate (full) rinse bucket.

Probably best practice when it is feasible

 

[SNP209]

This ^^^^ looks good from the video. What I want from a rinseless is one that cleans. Don't want one that is "insane". We have to deal with enough insanity in our lives without having it in our rinseless wash.
Could not find a 2000 GSM towel on their website. All the towels I saw were 1600 gsm.

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[Coatingsarecrack]

I resisted sponges for close to 20 years and was a GD guy all the way, but I have to admit, to me anyway, the sponge actually saves time, although to me that is a very minor consideration

It is also gratifying, and some times terrifying, to see the layer of mung in the bottom of the bucket when you pull the grit guard and go to empty it

I am especially shocked by the larger grit, almost like sand, that I see in the bottom of the bucket

Using the GD method I kind of treated my RW bucket like a sourdough starter; I would just keep adding water and RW concentrate as I depleted it but now using a sponge and a single bucket with grit guard, I dump it at the end and review what I find in the bottom

I am thinking of adding a rinse bucket this winter with a weaker RW solution and a "washboard" as well as a grit guard

I do the two bucket in winter. I use ONR in rinse bucket as I like that it’s Zwitterionic(?) fancy term for pulling $h!t to bottom. I l’ve seen those test on Reddit and feel it does the best job of that. Don’t like the towel/sponge feel on paint.

Then I ring sponge out and use what ever floats my boat that day.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

I'm not sure that is always the case, several "experts" add a bit of RW to the rinse bucket to help the media shed the dirt it has picked up

That's part of what a good rinseless is supposed to do, help the media self clean when rinsing, so why not give that crap a better chance of ending up in the rinse bucket than the "clean" bucket

I am just saying

Posted back to an earlier Klasse thread. This is what I do. I feel ONR is best at pulling stuff to the bottom. I just don’t like feel on paint.

Got a gallon as with the sale that was on gallon was basically $10 more.

I use this 1oz to 2.5-3 gallons water. I use what ever I’m feeling in wash bucket. With as dirty as I saw your car I would definitely 2 bucket.

Do yo have a drain in garage? If so I would look into hybrid wash.


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[chilly]

Posted back to an earlier Klasse thread. This is what I do. I feel ONR is best at pulling stuff to the bottom. I just don’t like feel on paint.

Got a gallon as with the sale that was on gallon was basically $10 more.

I use this 1oz to 2.5-3 gallons water. I use what ever I’m feeling in wash bucket. With as dirty as I saw your car I would definitely 2 bucket.

Do yo have a drain in garage? If so I would look into hybrid wash.


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Nope, no drain, just the floor sloping towards the doors, so I have to be as frugal with water as I can or I will freeze myself in

I will actually break down cardboard boxes and lay them down between the car and the door to catch and absorb water and I toss them in the trash bin

Not very eco friendly but ya gotta do etc etc

 

[chilly]

I always put a little of the RW in my rinse bucket just to keep from diluting the wash too much, I used to use about 1/4 the amount, lately a little more...but that could be an effort on my part to use up some of my washes so I can get with the program on some of these newer ones.

And to Chilly's question about using a different RW in the rinse...I've never thought of doing that and it's something I don't think I would do...but it is an interesting thought for trying to use up old stuff...and seeing how I have been thinking about using foaming ONR or Preludio as a presoak, that would effectively be mixing rinselesses, I guess, so maybe it's not such an off-the-wall idea. You'd just have to put some thought into it so you don't cancel out any properties you are looking for.

I missed this earlier

Canceling out desirable properties between 2 products was my concern as you stated

 

[BLM]

Nope, no drain, just the floor sloping towards the doors, so I have to be as frugal with water as I can or I will freeze myself in

I will actually break down cardboard boxes and lay them down between the car and the door to catch and absorb water and I toss them in the trash bin

Not very eco friendly but ya gotta do etc etc

You could possibly do a modified wash. It would be a pain but doable. Foam with a presoak of your choice, then back car out to the driveway, rinse off with the hose, then before it has a chance to freeze pull car back in garage.

However it would be less hassle to just do the two bucket rinseless. There are some good rinseless washes that are cheap enough to make a two bucket wash reasonable. In addition because you are eliminating the vast majority of the dirt in the rinse bucket you could save the rinseless in the wash bucket for the next wash and just rotate that bucket to be the rinse bucket. Thereby being even more economical.

 

[BLM]

896:1...

Has anyone tried this?

Klasse,
Because you already have the world's largest collection of rinseless washes what's one more. Besides this will give you an even 10.
She said in the video it may be better than Hero. Definately in her top five.

As a marketing strategy for an unknown brand such as Nighthawk maybe they should offer an 8 oz size for just the cost of shipping. If it is as good as it was presented in the video regular folks would be back to purchase larger quantities. At 896:1 an 8 oz bottle would give one several washes.