Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@

CleanIT said:
Very true. Showing bunch of people boxing or bottling doesn't really mean they're manufacturing in-house. How many of the raw materials come pre-packaged or pre-formulated vs actually blending multiple chemicals under one roof by an actual chemist?

Even if you did blend in-house, you're still purchasing from a variety of chemical companies or chemical houses like B&B etc.

ADS buys most of their raw materials in the US. Their coatings come from Asia, as do Pan's. Asia dominates coatings IMO. We have Cerakote, B&B, System X and Optimum as the US coating manufacturers.

I think Griot's bailed on a coating bc they couldn't control the process. They're very intent on having in-house control and with coatings they don't have the capability and would have to outsource that.

Griot's has an actual laboratory with nice equipment and actual chemists.
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303 has in-house chemists as well

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BLM said:
It's a play on words. A marketing ploy. I'm quite sure that it is worded so the casual observer just assumes it is manufactured where they want people to think it is manufactured. They would not be the first or only ones to use such strategies.
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This is all semantics. How many of us have bought something that says "assembled in the US from domestic and imported components"? If I'm a "manufacturer", do I have to make everything that goes into the product? If I make something that is bolted together, do I have to make the bolts in order to be a "manufacturer"? Or can I make all the parts and then buy bolts to hold them together?

All the companies listed above as making their own coatings in the US--do they not buy base chemicals from companies like Dow and BASF? Do we think that Optimum makes their own IPA to put in their panel prep?

We all(?) heard recently that Boeing doesn't make 737 fuselages, they are made at a subcontractor. At what point does Boeing stop being a "manufacturer" and become something else, like a "systems integrator"? Is the 737 fuselage Boeing's design? That is simply manufactured somewhere else? Or is it designed by the fuselage manufacturer to Boeing's specifications? Are they still the "manufacturer" if they only provided specifications but the "part" is made somewhere else?

These are the nuances of detailing products...is ADS the "manufacturer" if they just gave the blender specifications (I want a detail spray that is easy to apply and has a good shine), or are they only the manufacturer if they hired their own chemist and gave the blender a recipe (23% of this chemical, 48% of that chemical, the rest water)?

So Shampoo+...did ADS go to a blender, "we want to sell a great shampoo", blender says "we'll send you some samples". ADS says "we like sample B, but we want it to have more cleaning power", blender says "to make it like that and still be safe, we need to use this expensive ingredient", ADS says "do it". Etc. etc. until ADS thinks they have the best shampoo ever.

Blender says we can bottle it for you, or provide it in bulk. ADS says "we will bottle it". So ADS gets a small warehouse near Naples Auto Armour, and a minimal amount of equipment so they can fill gallon jugs, get Shampoo+ in 330 gal IBC pallets, and they do it. Then they post a video of them "crafting" Shampoo+. Are they a "manufacturer"?
 
I think it's awesome we're on to ADS here now, thread has grown organically to this brand from THAT brand

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Setec Astronomy said:
This is all semantics. How many of us have bought something that says "assembled in the US from domestic and imported components"? If I'm a "manufacturer", do I have to make everything that goes into the product? If I make something that is bolted together, do I have to make the bolts in order to be a "manufacturer"? Or can I make all the parts and then buy bolts to hold them together?

All the companies listed above as making their own coatings in the US--do they not buy base chemicals from companies like Dow and BASF? Do we think that Optimum makes their own IPA to put in their panel prep?

We all(?) heard recently that Boeing doesn't make 737 fuselages, they are made at a subcontractor. At what point does Boeing stop being a "manufacturer" and become something else, like a "systems integrator"? Is the 737 fuselage Boeing's design? That is simply manufactured somewhere else? Or is it designed by the fuselage manufacturer to Boeing's specifications? Are they still the "manufacturer" if they only provided specifications but the "part" is made somewhere else?

These are the nuances of detailing products...is ADS the "manufacturer" if they just gave the blender specifications (I want a detail spray that is easy to apply and has a good shine), or are they only the manufacturer if they hired their own chemist and gave the blender a recipe (23% of this chemical, 48% of that chemical, the rest water)?

So Shampoo+...did ADS go to a blender, "we want to sell a great shampoo", blender says "we'll send you some samples". ADS says "we like sample B, but we want it to have more cleaning power", blender says "to make it like that and still be safe, we need to use this expensive ingredient", ADS says "do it". Etc. etc. until ADS thinks they have the best shampoo ever.

Blender says we can bottle it for you, or provide it in bulk. ADS says "we will bottle it". So ADS gets a small warehouse near Naples Auto Armour, and a minimal amount of equipment so they can fill gallon jugs, get Shampoo+ in 330 gal IBC pallets, and they do it. Then they post a video of them "crafting" Shampoo+. Are they a "manufacturer"?
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This. ^

Most products whether built in the US or elsewhere are comprised of components sourced from all over the globe. Some products are "assembled" here but they're assembling parts/supplies sourced from all over the world. This is true in many industries and many products.

Let's take ADS or Pan's line as an example. Those products could be using multiple chemicals from multiple chemical makers that are all put together by a blender and a chemist then sold to xyz. ADS and Pan source their raw materials from US suppliers. (coatings Asia).

For a detail company to be able to pull off making EVERYTHING under one roof from scratch would seem not only difficult but make no economic sense.

If you want to support USA made products, I would then look to brands that at least source their raw materials from the US (brands mentioned above).
 
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CleanIT said:
For a detail company to be able to pull off making EVERYTHING under one roof from scratch would seem not only difficult but make no economic sense.
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But also if a company like ADS has 10 products, they could come from 10 different manufacturers.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
For those of you who have ordered directly from ADS...did you notice on the shipping label where it actually came from? That may tell us if they have set up a separate warehouse location in Florida, where that bottling/boxing video may have been filmed.
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I'm going to take one for the team and find out where this stuff comes from.
 
CleanIT said:
Please do and report back. I'm genuinely curious.
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Don't hold your breath...I started out "let me find the cheapest item"...which has progressed to "well, if I'm ordering, maybe I should get something else..."
You have no idea how many products I have and how little I have been using. Does anyone remember when AutoZone or Advance was closing out some Meg's QD and clay, and someone on here found out that when they would take it off the sale endcap where it was marked half price it would ring up at 5 cents? (Apparently it had been on half price for too long, and corporate had "scrapped" it down to the 5 cents, but the store personnel hadn't gotten around to throwing it in the dumpster yet).

So I went around to all the local stores, some didn't have any, one or two I tried to buy but when they saw the price they said they can't sell it for that, but a couple of stores I got a gallon of QD (#34?) and a jar of clay for a nickel each. I had the biggest smile walking out with $50 worth of stuff for 10 cents...but I didn't need any QD or clay and haven't used it yet. That must have been a dozen years ago...but it's still making me smile now, lol.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
For those of you who have ordered directly from ADS...did you notice on the shipping label where it actually came from? That may tell us if they have set up a separate warehouse location in Florida, where that bottling/boxing video may have been filmed.



What about P&S and Stoner Car Care? Those are both large manufacturers seemingly capable of making their own coatings.
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Don't let me stop anyone from spending money but...
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Setec Astronomy said:
Don't hold your breath...I started out "let me find the cheapest item"...which has progressed to "well, if I'm ordering, maybe I should get something else..."
You have no idea how many products I have and how little I have been using. Does anyone remember when AutoZone or Advance was closing out some Meg's QD and clay, and someone on here found out that when they would take it off the sale endcap where it was marked half price it would ring up at 5 cents? (Apparently it had been on half price for too long, and corporate had "scrapped" it down to the 5 cents, but the store personnel hadn't gotten around to throwing it in the dumpster yet).

So I went around to all the local stores, some didn't have any, one or two I tried to buy but when they saw the price they said they can't sell it for that, but a couple of stores I got a gallon of QD (#34?) and a jar of clay for a nickel each. I had the biggest smile walking out with $50 worth of stuff for 10 cents...but I didn't need any QD or clay and haven't used it yet. That must have been a dozen years ago...but it's still making me smile now, lol.
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I did that with the megs clay (stuck to everything), some stupid wheel brushes (that did not work) and mothers powerball (too big to fit)
All that stuff will die with me
I figure some sucker down the road will understand why it was never used 🗑
 
Uncbrs said:
Don't let me stop anyone from spending money but...
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Thank you for saving me $17 (or more). In the link I posted above they show the unit next to ADS as being a warehouse-y one (no office/bathroom), and the Google street view, which is from August 2024, shows no signage on that unit, so perhaps they are using that as a warehouse and is where the Facebook/Instagram video was taken. Of course if you look at the street view, most of the units in that building have no signage, so that may be non-evidentiary.
 
We have some absolute inspector gadgets in here

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CleanIT said:
This. ^

Most products whether built in the US or elsewhere are comprised of components sourced from all over the globe. Some products are "assembled" here but they're assembling parts/supplies sourced from all over the world. This is true in many industries and many products.

Let's take ADS or Pan's line as an example. Those products could be using multiple chemicals from multiple chemical makers that are all put together by a blender and a chemist then sold to xyz. ADS and Pan source their raw materials from US suppliers. (coatings Asia).

For a detail company to be able to pull off making EVERYTHING under one roof from scratch would seem not only difficult but make no economic sense.

If you want to support USA made products, I would then look to brands that at least source their raw materials from the US (brands mentioned above).
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Oh no, Pan & ADS in the same sentence

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Klasse Act said:
Noone says his products are good or bad, I'm just sayin'

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No if you, DFB and Opie are fans then I’m good with them being good.

It’s like people think things things built in China are bad quality. There bad quality because American companies order that way. Apple has the iPhone made in China and weather you are or are not an Apple fan they are quality machines.

I see it the same with blenders making it or making themselves. Because blenders do this on large scale they could possibly manufacture better than if ADS was starting up a blending facility.

Just more transparency would be nice but it’s not them it’s the whole industry…


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