Rinseless Washes - 2022

[Setec Astronomy]

If you have any old ONR try it in the rinse bucket to pull all the dirt to the bottom…

Have you done this? People seem to think this is some magic trick like in that vid that OPT posted; I don't know what that "dirt" was, but it certainly wasn't what I get on my car. When you do a rinseless wash, the heavy stuff falls to the bottom of the bucket (that's why grit guards were invented...long before rinseless wash was popular), and the rest of the stuff gets the water dirty. I haven't found ONR to behave differently than any other rinseless in that regard, and if it did, no one would be using any other rinseless than ONR.

 

[BLM]

I don't think rinseless wash in the rinse bucket is necessary. I have the wash board in my rinse bucket and it removes a lot of dirt. Also after using the rinse bucket, which contains plain water, my mitt goes back in the wash bucket till I'm ready to use it for next panel and any remains dirt would go to the bottom of that bucket.

However if just washing the paint and glass with the rinseless wash I seldom find any dirt at all in the spent rinseless wash when I go to dump it out when I use a 2nd bucket for rinse.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I don't think rinseless wash in the rinse bucket is necessary. I have the wash board in my rinse bucket and it removes a lot of dirt. Also after using the rinse bucket, which contains plain water, my mitt goes back in the wash bucket till I'm ready to use it for next panel and any remains dirt would go to the bottom of that bucket.

However if just washing the paint and glass with the rinseless wash I seldom find any dirt at all in the spent rinseless wash when I go to dump it out when I use a 2nd bucket for rinse.

Ditto, maybe I misunderstood Crack, maybe as you are implying he just meant you should have some rinseless in the rinse bucket, I interpreted it to mean that ONR was going to be a magic potion to drop the dirt, unlike other RW's. Me personally, I put some RW in the rinse bucket just to reduce the dilution of my wash bucket, but I use wash pads that have sponges in them (kind of a longer story than that).

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

The closest thing I've got to ONR is an old bottle of Turtle Wax hoseless lift...which some say IS ONR

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Try it…..


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[Coatingsarecrack]

Have you done this? People seem to think this is some magic trick like in that vid that OPT posted; I don't know what that "dirt" was, but it certainly wasn't what I get on my car. When you do a rinseless wash, the heavy stuff falls to the bottom of the bucket (that's why grit guards were invented...long before rinseless wash was popular), and the rest of the stuff gets the water dirty. I haven't found ONR to behave differently than any other rinseless in that regard, and if it did, no one would be using any other rinseless than ONR.

I have but car wasn’t very dirty. May try this coming week.


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[Hobbit]

FYI Labocosmetica's Rinseless stands apart from all the other rinseless products i have tried in regards to protection. The beading is very decent has well.

 

[Klasse Act]

FYI Labocosmetica's Rinseless stands apart from all the other rinseless products i have tried in regards to protection. The beading is very decent has well.

Have you tried Gyeon Q2 ECO wash yet

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[CleanIT]

FYI Labocosmetica's Rinseless stands apart from all the other rinseless products i have tried in regards to protection. The beading is very decent has well.

Works as a QD 1:50.


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[Hobbit]

Have you tried Gyeon Q2 ECO wash yet

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Nope, i don't buy much stuff from gyeon anymore.

I used Idrosave cut 1:100 a while back has a clay lube on my trunk lid. I never got the chance to polish the marring until over 4 weeks later and idrosave was still going strong. I was shocked. I don't think any wash and wax type product will hold a candle to Idrosave. Especially, the ceramic wash and wax type products which seem to be all BS. Definity a lot of BS in the detailing market.

I always remembered Yvan from DIY claiming his coatings willl last a lifetime with a straight face. He was dead serious.

Yvan is a cult like figure. He's purposely controversial in my belief. That's how he gets attention.

 

[Klasse Act]

Nope, i don't buy much stuff from gyeon anymore.

I used Idrosave cut 1:100 a while back has a clay lube on my trunk lid. I never got the chance to polish the marring until over 4 weeks later and idrosave was still going strong. I was shocked. I don't think any wash and wax type product will hold a candle to Idrosave. Especially, the ceramic wash and wax type products which seem to be all BS. Definity a lot of BS in the detailing market.

I always remembered Yvan from DIY claiming his coatings willl last a lifetime with a straight face. He was dead serious.

Which coating...ohhh, I think it's called Hopium

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[Hobbit]

Which coating...ohhh, I think it's called Hopium

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One of the DIY coatings. That was the day i finally made my mind up - another conman, with that stupid mustache and fake smile.

His "1-Step" process is a joke as well. DIY rinseless have rinseoff surfactants. If you coat over the rinseless i wouldn't expect much. And don't forget the palm sanders haha! How cool! He's a freakin joke but the joke is on the detailing community for supporting the snake.

His waterspot remover as also been shown to add its own protection. If that's the case i'm 100% correct. He's a snake. People believe they are declogging the coatings but they have been tricked.

"And don't forget buy my waffle pad because any other pad with cause too much heat! Money! MORE Money!".

And if it doesn't go as plan he will just blame the user or some other variable. "You messed up and have to re-install! More Money! I will support you all the way!..." lol man i might throw out my DIY rinseless frankly.

 

[CleanIT]

4 weeks later and idrosave was still going strong. I was shocked. I don't think any wash and wax type product will hold a candle to Idrosave. Especially, the ceramic wash and wax type products which seem to be all BS. Definity a lot of BS in the detailing market.

It really is pretty stout for what it is. As a QD even more so.

 

[Klasse Act]

One of the DIY coatings. That was the day i finally made my mind up - another conman, with that stupid mustache and fake smile.

His "1-Step" process is a joke as well. DIY rinseless have rinseoff surfactants. If you coat over the rinseless i wouldn't expect much. And don't forget the palm sanders haha! How cool! He's a freakin joke but the joke is on the detailing community for supporting the snake.

His waterspot remover as also been shown to add its own protection. If that's the case i'm 100% correct. He's a snake. People believe they are declogging the coatings but they have been tricked.

"And don't forget buy my waffle pad because any other pad with cause too much heat! Money! MORE Money!".

And if it doesn't go as plan he will just blame the user or some other variable. "You messed up and have to re-install! More Money! I will support you all the way!..." lol man i might throw out my DIY rinseless frankly.

He also said using traditional soap was so 20th century in a video years ago, what a clown

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[CleanIT]

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Oh not the guy who's afraid of SLS again....

 

[CleanIT]

It is interesting though when actual chemists talk about detailing products. There was a guy on here who was great. He'd cut through the BS and hype. Basically the above RW isn't a RW. It's a soap with some pretty below average ingredients and water. What a joke.

I mean if this many people are falling for this crap maybe I should create a product line (sarcasm). Just throw some average ingredients in a bottle and some water. Throw a label on it and maybe put "Sio2" on it. Would probably sell....

 

[Setec Astronomy]

It is interesting though when actual chemists talk about detailing products. There was a guy on here who was great. He'd cut through the BS and hype. Basically the above RW isn't a RW. It's a soap with some pretty below average ingredients and water. What a joke.

I mean if this many people are falling for this crap maybe I should create a product line (sarcasm). Just throw some average ingredients in a bottle and some water. Throw a label on it and maybe put "Sio2" on it. Would probably sell....

Are you referring to this guy as a "chemist"? If so you are the second person to do this...I'm pretty sure he's not a chemist, I think he's someone reading MSDS's who doesn't know what he's talking about. He was very certain you should be wearing gloves while using a rinseless wash that had SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate) in it, because of how toxic SLS is. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear gloves while rinseless washing, but I guess I should put a glove on my tongue while brushing my teeth and a shower cap on while washing my hair, because SLS is in toothpaste, shampoo, bodywash, hand soap, etc. Any "chemist" would know that.

I'm not arguing that SLS is good for you, but to single out a rinseless wash for having it and not mention it's in other stuff you are using every day, doesn't seem to me a knowledge of chemistry or the industry, it seems the opposite.

EDIT: As far as selling people "water", I just looked at the ONR SDS, it's 90-93% water, and that's before you dilute it. Plus it's got benzaldehyde, which is harmful if swallowed, at about .12%, again, before dilution. It also suggests, under handling instructions, that if risk assessments deem it necessary, you should wear a full-face respirator, and under any circumstances you should be wearing gloves, safety glasses, and impervious clothing. Perhaps that's why we never see that above you-tuber in the shots, because he's wearing a tyvek suit to mix up rinseless wash.

I'm not saying you should ignore info from an SDS, I'm just saying there's a lot of CYA and also perhaps required wording if certain classes of ingredients are in the product, regardless of the miniscule percentage present, that make SDS's difficult to parse for actual hazard, if you're a LAYMAN, not a chemist.

 

[CleanIT]

Are you referring to this guy as a "chemist"? If so you are the second person to do this...I'm pretty sure he's not a chemist, I think he's someone reading MSDS's who doesn't know what he's talking about. He was very certain you should be wearing gloves while using a rinseless wash that had SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate) in it, because of how toxic SLS is. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear gloves while rinseless washing, but I guess I should put a glove on my tongue while brushing my teeth and a shower cap on while washing my hair, because SLS is in toothpaste, shampoo, bodywash, hand soap, etc. Any "chemist" would know that.

I'm not arguing that SLS is good for you, but to single out a rinseless wash for having it and not mention it's in other stuff you are using every day, doesn't seem to me a knowledge of chemistry or the industry, it seems the opposite.

I think he is a chemist, but I can't be 100% sure. I agree, he's a bit over the top with his "wear gloves" recommendations. Another thing I should have included was that its the end formulation that matters. The sum of all parts. He is singling out specific components and saying xyz is bad and shouldn't be used in a RW. Well, there may be some chemical synergy going on that he's unaware of. Or, it's just not a well formulated product.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I think he is a chemist, but I can't be 100% sure. I agree, he's a bit over the top with his "wear gloves" recommendations. Another thing I should have included was that its the end formulation that matters. The sum of all parts. He is singling out specific components and saying xyz is bad and shouldn't be used in a RW. Well, there may be some chemical synergy going on that he's unaware of. Or, it's just not a well formulated product.

I was editing my above post when you posted this. I added some more ranting.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

The dangers of Dawn Dish Soap: https://www.physics.purdue.edu/primelab/safety/MSDS/Dawn Liquid Detergent.pdf

OMG it's up to 30% SLS's!!! This is a very reasonable SDS as at the bottom of the section where it lists the "poisons", it says this: These substances are listed because in their pure bulk form they meet the OSHA and/or WHMIS definition of
hazardous. Any hazards associated with this finished product are listed in Section II of this MSDS.

Section II says this: Ingestion: Ingestion may cause transient gastrointestinal irritation.
Eye Contact: May cause mild, transient irritation.
Skin: Transient irritation with prolonged exposure to concentrated material.
Inhalation: N/A

I started to watch the Nemesis video to see if it had SLS in it, I had to stop when he got to the criticism of PDMS. Silicones are the basis for virtually every car wax, sealant and dressing. Before he got to that he said that Amines, C10-16, alkyldimethyl, N-oxides are the main ingredient in Dawn, which only makes up 5% max vs. the up to 30% SLS's as you can see from the SDS.

He does talk like a chemist, but not one that's ever been in the real world. He says the Dawn ingredient needs to be rinsed because otherwise it will etch. The Nemesis SDS says it's in Nemesis at a rate of 1-5%, and that Nemesis is 40-55% water. So just in the bottle, that ingredient is already diluted at least 1:8, and then I'm going to dilute that again at 1:256...I'd argue that your "rinseless" wash already has plenty of water in it to "rinse" that ingredient off.

I'll shut up now, because we've reached the end of civilization, where some random yo-yo on YouTube, that we don't know anything about, AT ALL, can make us believe what he's saying, and that goes for me too (I'm just some random yo-yo on a car forum). But hey, we all should do our own research, even if we have no knowledge of the subject matter. Some day I'm going to read Tom Nichols' book "The Death of Expertise" if I can find where I put it, I think it's buried under detailing products I bought from listening to yo-yo's on a detailing forum.