So this followed me home....

I wish they were +1

If it were my choice I'd actually go down a size in diameter from 18" to 17" and widen them from 7.5 to 8.

This would give you a lighter wheel with better/cheaper tire choices and the ability to run 225 or even 235 width tires for a larger contact patch. Visually the differences would be minor, if noticeable at all.

The only real reason I can see to keep the 18's on a car this light would be if you intend to track the brains out of this car and upgrade to a BBK.

At some point I'm going to need a second set of wheels. I'll probably keep these for three-season use and go smaller/wider for my autocross/lots of fun set up.



Really nice car. When they first came out I was like Meh. But not only have they fixed the dip in torque around 3500 rpm's they actually put real real tires on it. Michelin PS4. I want one. Best of luck with it.

I test drove an FR-S at the same time I stumbled across this car (which was completely unlisted ANYWHERE). IMO the differences between the Gen 1 and Gen 2 cars are far more than the media lets on.

While the chassis might be simple upgrade to make it stiffer, everything is very different. The engine (obviously), clutch action, shift action, and interior are a huge improvement over the previous gen. The ride seems a bit better too. It's just as stiff with no real body motion and fantastic cornering, but it doesn't crash over imperfections in the road like the old one. This one just bounces sharply.

Something else few people mention is the engine sounds very different (even without the stupid sound maker), and it's WAY smoother in operation. Compared to my previous German cars the old FRS felt like I was driving a go-cart with a tractor engine. Not very pleasant.
 
They put cheap tires on it cause they knew people were gonna modify them anyway but I'd be happy as hell to see those on there

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Nah, they put low grip tires on so people could drift. That was this cars claim to fame up till now. Glad they put PS4 on now. I'd rather pull G's on back roads rather than drift.
 
Just so everyone is tracking.

The base model on both twins still comes with the 17" wheels and the crappy Primacy tires as the previous gen. The upper model, like mine, comes with the 18" wheels and the PS4s.

Supposedly the GR86 suspension is still slightly different to make it a little more oversteer prone, while Subaru is set them up to be more neutral.
 
Nah, they put low grip tires on so people could drift. That was this cars claim to fame up till now. Glad they put PS4 on now. I'd rather pull G's on back roads rather than drift.
I was actually going to mention that honestly cause those tires are the same ones they put on the prius

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I didn't even realize those were 18" wheels on there

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Well, will ya look at that...as part of the Subaru Build & Price you can add a factory option for a dog harness. Never seen that before...actually, a few pet related options.

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They are big into pets and supporting animal shelters these days. There were signs about the programs they support at the corporate level all over the dealership.

Based on the size of the back seats it would be a struggle to get a dog the size of the one pictured back there. It's strictly the domain of Dachshunds, Pugs, and Chihuahuas
 
[mention]Desertnate [/mention]

Greetings!

Curious if you still have the BRZ and if so, thoughts on your now ‘long term’ experience with it?

Went and test drove a tS model today, seems like a hoot from my albeit limited time with it. Pondering getting outta the German car rat race and BRZ seems like nice, fun car.

Thanks for any thoughts you may have!


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Reports from people I know who own say it’s fun to drive. The new Z is also a nice little pocket rocket. Little more HP.

The 400hp in that thing is insane with its 55/45 weight distribution. For 40k (starting) it’s a fun car.


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Reports from people I know who own say it’s fun to drive. The new Z is also a nice little pocket rocket. Little more HP.

The 400hp in that thing is insane with its 55/45 weight distribution. For 40k (starting) it’s a fun car.


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I'm going to go test drive one of those tonite. The BRZ appeals because of its relative simplicity and lack of interior 'tacked on' screens. Has some actual switchwork/controls! The Z looks somewhat similar and agreed, for around $40k for 400hp, definitely merits a look.

I'm a little wary of 400hp though...with the Cayman it would truly take something amazingly stupid to hurt myself in it. On the rare times I drive the Corvette I'm usually thinking "If I drove this every day I'd end up in a ditch"; rear wheel drive, excessive HP & torque just begs to be abused. With only 220 or so HP, the BRZ can only get a limited amount of stupid. "Know thyself" and all of that :lol:

And after yearly $500 oil changes with the Cayman (and then some), the appeal of a $50 at-home oil change in the BRZ taking about 15 minutes is quite appealing. The BRZ is simple, guessing the Nissan Z will be a little less so. I'm looking for simple at this point (and good looking; staring at a car in the garage is still a favorite pastime) I think the BRZ looks better than the Z too...curvier.

We shall see...some folks dread car shopping and the dealer experience; I find it quite entertaining actually. If things get irritating, I just get up and leave.
 
I’ve always wanted to drive a BRZ, GT 86 or FR-S but never got the chance to except for on my Gran Turismo racing rig at home. If it’s anything like on the game, it’s quite satisfying to fling it into a corner.
 
Way back when I was searching for my FJ, I sat in an 86 at a Toyota dealership, I was surprised at how comfortable it was, and at how easily I fitted. I do like the idea of having weekend fun car, and I would love a V8 again, but I also appreciate that it's more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow. I'm not saying that the BRZ/86 is slow, but it's limits are much more accessible in everyday driving.
 
Way back when I was searching for my FJ, I sat in an 86 at a Toyota dealership, I was surprised at how comfortable it was, and at how easily I fitted. I do like the idea of having weekend fun car, and I would love a V8 again, but I also appreciate that it's more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow. I'm not saying that the BRZ/86 is slow, but it's limits are much more accessible in everyday driving.


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The BRZ is simple, guessing the Nissan Z will be a little less so. I'm looking for simple at this point (and good looking; staring at a car in the garage is still a favorite pastime) I think the BRZ looks better than the Z too...curvier.
Drove a 6-speed Nissan Z last night; more of a 'Grand Tour' deal than a toss-about car. Drove 'big' which I guess can be expected given it's close to 3500lb curb weight (more than our 2019 Corvette). 400hp was nice but after driving a Cayman for 6 years, the tossability is more entertaining than brute force. Shifter/transmission seemed a bit nicer than in the BRZ but at 2900lbs give or take, the BRZ seems like it will be more to my preferences overall. BRZ is certainly a little less refined all around than the Z w/ regards to fit and finish but that's OK. Both cars had plenty of room for my lanky, 6' 2" frame.

Not sure how this will all play out. :lol:
 
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[mention]Desertnate [/mention]

Greetings!

Curious if you still have the BRZ and if so, thoughts on your now ‘long term’ experience with it?

Went and test drove a tS model today, seems like a hoot from my albeit limited time with it. Pondering getting outta the German car rat race and BRZ seems like nice, fun car.

Thanks for any thoughts you may have!

I hope this isn't too late. I was traveling for work all last week and didn't have much time to get on.

Yes, I still have the car and I daily drive it every day all year. I think I've got around 24K miles on it now.

TLDR: We've declared this car as a "keeper". It's truly special and will live on in my garage, but will eventually see some performance mods if I get something a little more practical and roomy for a daily.

Here are my thoughts after 3+ years of ownership:

The bad first (I'll end with the positives)
  • It's pretty noisy. To keep the car light, there isn't much sound deadening, so some road surface will transmit more road noise into the cockpit. HOWEVER: Killing the artificial noisemaker makes a huge improvement in both reducing noise levels and improving what you do hear. It can be triggered in software at the dealer, or you can physically remove it yourself.
  • The speakers for the infotainment system are terrible. Fortunately there is a company who builds plug-and-play replacements. I may do this some day.
  • It is strictly a two-seater. Don't even think about using the back seat for people. The trunk may be too small for some luggage if you are picking someone up at the airport.
  • Very little interior storage. Two cupholders (which are behind your elbow in the center,, bottle holders in the doors, and the glove box. That's it.
The good
  • Above all it's a BLAST to drive. Light, highly responsive, just enough power, and even in stock form has fantastic handling/cornering right off the dealer lot.
    • I have done one small mod to the front suspension that allowed me to add about 1.5 degree's of front camber and I did a custom alignment that made a HUGE difference in how the car enters a corner. Highly recommend the alignment if nothing else.
  • It's a very simple car. Few/no nannies to speak of, though I have heard that has changed somewhat in later model years. It is also pretty low tech. You have a basic radio with CarPlay/Android Auto, an easy to read digital dash, and "Track Mode" that dials back/disables traction/stability control. I have the upper trim so it does have heated seats...I'm not a total savage.
  • Surprisingly practical. The back seat is good for carrying small items and the trunk is very usable. As a daily for driving to-from work, it is perfect. Small, easy to park, great visibility, it's the perfect commuter vehicle.
    • I drive it every day to work, run errands etc. We've done Costco runs in it, hardware store runs, I've taken it fishing, hauled flowers from the garden store, etc.
  • Comfortable. I really like the seats which are comfortable for multi-hour trips. The ergonomics are very good with everything in reach and easy to operate.
  • On the highway at 75mph I get right around 30mpg which is better than the published numbers.
    • I don't really track my gas mileage since doing autocross with it in the warmer months will ruin any trend analysis.
  • Dead-on reliable. The interior is still tight and quiet, and other than one highly rare problem fixed quickly, it's been mechanically flawless.
    • I had a crank-shaft position sensor go bad. It was fixed under warranty with no issues. The dealership mentioned they had never seen that sensor fail go bad on the 2.4L engine. It's used in tons of other high sales volume cars like the Assent, WRX, and Outback XT/WIlderness (with a turbo bolted on).
I really do love driving the car every day. I autocross it at least once a month between April and Oct so I get to push it to the limits (and occasionally past) and it really shines when putting it thought it's paces (it gets even better with wider, 200TW tires! :D). I recently had a family wedding deep in the Ozarks of north/central Arkansas about 6 hours from home. We took my car and it easily held enough luggage from the trip and tossing it through the mountain roads was a blast. I was smiling the whole way. Even on the few Interstate stretches, it was a joy when slicing through traffic or just sailing along.

The one improvement I wouldn't mind with may be fixed in the Ts is brakes. The standard brakes have plenty of power and will hold up just fine with anything this side of a long session at a track day. My only complaint is I wish it would ramp up braking force a little quicker. As-is, it's pretty linear, but I'd like it to be a bit more immediate bite like it was in my BMW. That may be fixable with different pads. The bigger Brembo's in the Ts might improve things too.
 
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I hope this isn't too late. I was traveling for work all last week and didn't have much time to get on.

Yes, I still have the car and I daily drive it every day all year. I think I've got around 24K miles on it now.

TLDR: We've declared this car as a "keeper". It's truly special and will live on in my garage, but will eventually see some performance mods if I get something a little more practical and roomy for a daily.

Here are my thoughts after 3+ years of ownership:

The bad first (I'll end with the positives)
  • It's pretty noisy. To keep the car light, there isn't much sound deadening, so some road surface will transmit more road noise into the cockpit. HOWEVER: Killing the artificial noisemaker makes a huge improvement in both reducing noise levels and improving what you do hear. It can be triggered in software at the dealer, or you can physically remove it yourself.
  • The speakers for the infotainment system are terrible. Fortunately there is a company who builds plug-and-play replacements. I may do this some day.
  • It is strictly a two-seater. Don't even think about using the back seat for people. The trunk may be too small for some luggage if you are picking someone up at the airport.
  • Very little interior storage. Two cupholders (which are behind your elbow in the center,, bottle holders in the doors, and the glove box. That's it.
The good
  • Above all it's a BLAST to drive. Light, highly responsive, just enough power, and even in stock form has fantastic handling/cornering right off the dealer lot.
    • I have done one small mod to the front suspension that allowed me to add about 1.5 degree's of front camber and I did a custom alignment that made a HUGE difference in how the car enters a corner. Highly recommend the alignment if nothing else.
  • It's a very simple car. Few/no nannies to speak of, though I have heard that has changed somewhat in later model years. It is also pretty low tech. You have a basic radio with CarPlay/Android Auto, an easy to read digital dash, and "Track Mode" that dials back/disables traction/stability control. I have the upper trim so it does have heated seats...I'm not a total savage.
  • Surprisingly practical. The back seat is good for carrying small items and the trunk is very usable. As a daily for driving to-from work, it is perfect. Small, easy to park, great visibility, it's the perfect commuter vehicle.
    • I drive it every day to work, run errands etc. We've done Costco runs in it, hardware store runs, I've taken it fishing, hauled flowers from the garden store, etc.
  • Comfortable. I really like the seats which are comfortable for multi-hour trips. The ergonomics are very good with everything in reach and easy to operate.
  • On the highway at 75mph I get right around 30mpg which is better than the published numbers.
    • I don't really track my gas mileage since doing autocross with it in the warmer months will ruin any trend analysis.
  • Dead-on reliable. The interior is still tight and quiet, and other than one highly rare problem fixed quickly, it's been mechanically flawless.
    • I had a crank-shaft position sensor go bad. It was fixed under warranty with no issues. The dealership mentioned they had never seen that sensor fail go bad on the 2.4L engine. It's used in tons of other high sales volume cars like the Assent, WRX, and Outback XT/WIlderness (with a turbo bolted on).
I really do love driving the car every day. I autocross it at least once a month between April and Oct so I get to push it to the limits (and occasionally past) and it really shines when putting it thought it's paces (it gets even better with wider, 200TW tires! :D). I recently had a family wedding deep in the Ozarks of north/central Arkansas about 6 hours from home. We took my car and it easily held enough luggage from the trip and tossing it through the mountain roads was a blast. I was smiling the whole way. Even on the few Interstate stretches, it was a joy when slicing through traffic or just sailing along.

The one improvement I wouldn't mind with may be fixed in the Ts is brakes. The standard brakes have plenty of power and will hold up just fine with anything this side of a long session at a track day. My only complaint is I wish it would ramp up braking force a little quicker. As-is, it's pretty linear, but I'd like it to be a bit more immediate like it was in my BMW. That may be fixable with different pads. The bigger Brembo's in the Ts might improve things too.
Thanks for checking in and the thoughts on the car! We were testing driving a tS yesterday; 6-speed, Brembo's, short throw shifter, and some other more useless add-ons), seemed like a winner and they were gonna give us a great deal on trading the Cayman...a bit too go methinks!

They were *really* anxious to get car off lot and as we were walking out bumped up $2000 in our favor. Seemed a little exuberant, pulled carfax just for giggles and found this; not sure if it indicates anything bad but it certainly doesn't add to the allure. The search will likely continue!

Manufacture Date: 11/2024
Arrived at dealer: 01/2025
Vehicle Serviced: 05/15/2025
  • Carpet replaced/repaired
  • Front Seat Cover replaced
  • Seat or seat upholstery repaired
Vehicle Offered For Sale: 05/20/2025
51 miles on odometer - 07/28/2025

I dunno...just get kinda a 'feeling' that something is off with this one

May just go Limited instead of tS, not sure I need the Brembos or suspension of the tS trim level....thanks for the comments on the brakes.

Thanks again for chiming in...sound like a winner from your experience!
 
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That is a strange history. This is for a new car, right? I assume so with the mileage. You made a good choice in walking away. Since they don't have a sunroof, it almost sounds like it got soaked due to the windows being down in a really bad storm. Or a critter got in the car and tore things up. No wonder they wanted it gone.

Honestly I think you would be very happy with a Limited like mine. I don't know if you'd really notice a significant difference from the suspension since I believe it's only the front shocks that are updated in the Ts and the springs stay the same on all four corners as do the sway bars. For street usage, the standard stock brakes are more than adequate and do just fine.
 
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