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My girlfriend works a store that carries P21S.i was wondering if there is a noticeable difference between the concours wax & 100% carnauba wax?also do u need to use paintwork cleansing lotion prior to applying the wax??does it stain trim??
 
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So far I am liking P21S 100% better than the original P21s. IMO there is a visible difference and most likely durability as well, but it is too early for me to tell with the 100%. You don't need the cleansing lotion but it will help prepare the surface for the wax, it adds something to the finish but isn't needed if you prep it properly otherwise. Neither stain trim ... wipe on, wipe off. Simple simple.
 
budman3 said:
So far I am liking P21S 100% better than the original P21s. IMO there is a visible difference and most likely durability as well, but it is too early for me to tell with the 100%. You don't need the cleansing lotion but it will help prepare the surface for the wax, it adds something to the finish but isn't needed if you prep it properly otherwise. Neither stain trim ... wipe on, wipe off. Simple simple.
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well currently i have KAIO.but i plan to either use KAIO or in the near future Poli-seal.would either of those be enough prep?
 
94LT1 said:
well currently i have KAIO.but i plan to either use KAIO or in the near future Poli-seal.would either of those be enough prep?
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You can use KAIO before any wax or sealant on the market to strip the paint and prepare it for LSPing (also no wait time for KAIO). PS should be let to cure 12hrs before being topped with anything.
 
the P21S Paint Cleansing Lotion is a great product and is a chemical cleaner like Pinnacles Paintwork Lotion. Best used when polishing is not needed and offers some very light filling.

The new 100% wax looks better and likely you will see similar durability. The original product is high in beeswax and Montan wax and they do nothing for paint care specifically, just make really nice small beads.
 
wytstang said:
You can use KAIO before any wax or sealant on the market to strip the paint and prepare it for LSPing (also no wait time for KAIO). PS should be let to cure 12hrs before being topped with anything.
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i was under the impression that PS was a polish.i didnt no it was a polish and sealant?should i use KAIO as a wipe on wipe off or should i let it sit for a little while then remove after i finish the car??
 
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94LT1 said:
i was under the impression that PS was a polish.i didnt no it was a polish and sealant?
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Assuming "PS" = P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (which has no "S" initial, jeez you guys and your acronyms) it isn't really either. It has light polishing agents, but it's more of a chemical cleaner.

Besides this thread, I can't find another source which suggests that it needs time to cure. P21S and every other source indicates that the surface is prepped for LSP as soon as P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is removed.
 
scottburton11 said:
Assuming "PS" = P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (which has no "S" initial, jeez you guys and your acronyms) it isn't really either. It has light polishing agents, but it's more of a chemical cleaner.

Besides this thread, I can't find another source which suggests that it needs time to cure. P21S and every other source indicates that the surface is prepped for LSP as soon as P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is removed.
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No PS stands for optimum poli-seal.i no P21S is a paint cleaner simulars to Klasses All-IN-One(KAIO) and its supposed to prepard the paint for LSP which u said.
 
94LT1 said:
i was under the impression that PS was a polish.i didnt no it was a polish and sealant?should i use KAIO as a wipe on wipe off or should i let it sit for a little while then remove after i finish the car??
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It's a very mild polish (pad dependent) and sealant. KAIO is a WOWO product no hazing or wait time needed. Leaves a lil acrylic protection behind but not enough to be used as an LSP. PS can and is used as a stand alone LSP.
 
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wytstang said:
It's a very mild polish (pad dependent) and sealant. KAIO is a WOWO product no hazing or wait time needed. Leaves a lil acrylic protection behind but not enough to be used as an LSP. PS can and is used as a stand alone LSP.
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can it be used as prep like KAIO before LSP??
 
scottburton11 said:
Assuming "PS" = P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion (which has no "S" initial, jeez you guys and your acronyms) it isn't really either. It has light polishing agents, but it's more of a chemical cleaner.
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It's just 100% easier to abbreviate then having to type out these long names some of these product use. Kinda like LOL LMAO it just sooooo easy.
 
94LT1 said:
can it be used as prep like KAIO before LSP??
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Yes the mechanical and chemical action (pad and PoliSeal) will clean the surface of any old wax/glaze/sealant/ect. KAIO (imo) is more of a chemical paint cleaner then anything else (and a darn good one). If I were doing it by hand KAIO would be my choice followed by what ever wax/glaze/sealant I was going to use. By machine and wanting to save time PS would be my choice as it does everything including leaving protection behind. PS just melts into the paint with very very little left behind to wipe away. But if you plan on topping PS with another sealant or caruaba it's a good idea to let the sealant in PS cross link/cure before topping it.
 
wytstang said:
Yes the mechanical and chemical action (pad and PoliSeal) will clean the surface of any old wax/glaze/sealant/ect. KAIO (imo) is more of a chemical paint cleaner then anything else (and a darn good one). If I were doing it by hand KAIO would be my choice followed by what ever wax/glaze/sealant I was going to use. By machine and wanting to save time PS would be my choice as it does everything including leaving protection behind. PS just melts into the paint with very very little left behind to wipe away. But if you plan on topping PS with another sealant or caruaba it's a good idea to let the sealant in PS cross link/cure before topping it.
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ya i use KAIO as a WOWO.but i wanted to use PS with a white CCS pad on my pc and then top it with 845.
 
That sounds like a great plan/combo and if you have time let the PS cure for a few hours.
 
So 100% carnauba is worth the extra $$??and KAIO should be a good enough prep for it??
 
I have 100% but not Concours. People say Concours is warmer and 100% is sharper, personally I think 100% looks sick.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
Have you tried the Pinnacle Offerings ?? SSII and Souveran Paste ....
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Just Liquid Souveran, I like it fine.

Speaking of which, where did PNB intend for SSII to fit in the marketplace? From the literature alone (which indicates it's a formula upgrade), it's hard to differentiate it from Souveran. Is it meant to be the budget formula?
 
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