Tips for swirl removal on black car

I'm glad I came across this thread. I have an 02 black VW Passat that I'm about to us Menzerna IP, then NP to correct light scuffs and swirls, and polish. Not sure about what sealant I'll use yet....
 
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killrwheels@autogeek said:
Never found a black car that failed to look better after a polishing with Menzerna. SIP and 106FF or IP and FP depending on hard/soft paint.
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I'm new to the group. I have a black C5 which has some light to medium swirls and a few scratches (especially on the hood). I tried to remove them with the XMT line and a UDM and 6.5 inch pads (orange, white, grey)...didn't work too well. I'm not sure if it was me or not. I've been reading every post I can about removing swirls/scratches on black vettes and it seems that the SIP and 106FF combination seems to be highly recommended. I thought I read that the orange pad should not be used on a vette is this correct? If so, should the wool pad be used instead? Someone please help me, I need to get my ride to shine!
 
I would get some 5.5 inch pads, pfw pads, and some M105. I would not buy an orange since there is wool pads. Do you have any Menzerna products yet? I have a black vette myself and when they are polished correctly no other color looks better on them.
 
Really aren't many wrong answers when it comes to polish, with the right amount of pressure on the pc many will do the trick, some lighter polishes just may require more than one pass.

With a pc I've always like xmt, and starting out polishing, it was one of the first lines that I was getting great cut/finish with.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
I would get some 5.5 inch pads, pfw pads, and some M105. I would not buy an orange since there is wool pads. Do you have any Menzerna products yet? I have a black vette myself and when they are polished correctly no other color looks better on them.
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Thanks for the advice. I don't have any Menzerna products yet. I'm am trying to figure out what I will need. Do I use the M105 in addition to the Menzerna products? If you would be so kind, would you provide me with the sequence/products you would use?
Thanks much!
 
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BlackC5 said:
Thanks for the advice. I don't have any Menzerna products yet. I'm am trying to figure out what I will need. Do I use the M105 in addition to the Menzerna products? If you would be so kind, would you provide me with the sequence/products you would use?
Thanks much!
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I've had thoughts on that too, throwing M105 into the Menzerna mix. Maybe M105 or Ultimate Compound followed by Final Polish II? I ask that because I have those but not M205.:(
 
I don't know why the modern trend and advice for new comers is to reach for the most aggressive product available first, but I would always suggest to start at the least aggressive pad and polish combo possible.

I've used zpc on late 90's Porsche paint and achieved 80% swirl removal in one pass. Most diyers would be thrilled with those results so why remove as much paint as possible the first chance you get.

I don't agree with that approach and never have, I guess that's what makes fads or flavors of the week so unatractive the longer you're in the industry.
 
I agree with you Brian. I would rath have the least aggresive one work. Less steps to finish down. Kinda like the M105 fad. That is a strong compound. I know you can pair it with a less aggresive pad, but it's still a compound.
 
Brian_Brice said:
I don't know why the modern trend and advice for new comers is to reach for the most aggressive product available first, but I would always suggest to start at the least aggressive pad and polish combo possible.

I've used zpc on late 90's Porsche paint and achieved 80% swirl removal in one pass. Most diyers would be thrilled with those results so why remove as much paint as possible the first chance you get.

I don't agree with that approach and never have, I guess that's what makes fads or flavors of the week so unatractive the longer you're in the industry.
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Since owning a black vette, at some point you will need M105 to remove some scratches, it is always good to have on hand. I would agree to start with the less aggressive method but I bet he will need some M105 for some of his scratches.

loudog2 said:
I agree with you Brian. I would rath have the least aggresive one work. Less steps to finish down. Kinda like the M105 fad. That is a strong compound. I know you can pair it with a less aggresive pad, but it's still a compound.[/QUOTE

Lou, I hear were you are coming from on the fad, but you know me better than to tell someone to just go crazy with the most aggresive product right off the bat. Since he does have a vette it would be a very good idea to have some M105 on hand.
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Before 105 came out scratches were removed on black vettes, there are several polishes that are capable of doing so.

I don't disagree its good to have on hand and I wasn't pointing a finger at you or this thread in general, the internet is full of that suggestion regardless the car. I see hondas getting polished by diyers and pros alike using very aggressive combinations when to me at least, is very unprofessional. Of course an aggressive compound is going to level the paint quick and the follow us is simple with the likes of 105.

Some use the same method on everything they do, and aren't afraid to say it on threads, the real victims are some of these paint jobs themselves, point is why remove that much paint when its not needed? That's the same practice as most body shops who only have rocs in a bottle on hand, and a glaze. Granted the results are much different but the premise, and lack of true understanding, and troubleshooting is the same.

Once again, I wasn't calling you out AR, just generally speaking.
 
Ashphalt,
I didn't even notice that he had a vette. I know you wouldn't do that. I was basically commenting on Brian saying a lot of people are going right to the aggressive compounds first, like M105, for all their cars. You need M105 if you own a vette.
 
I agree with ya Lou, as I wasn't attacking him either, sorry for the mixup, like you, I didn't kno he had a vette either, guess I should have read the whole thing.
 
I agree with both, that some will jump right to M105 when not needed. I would also agree there were black vettes before M105, I have had four of them-lol. M105 makes it alot easier on hard clear coats like the vette, otherwise there is Power Gloss and 3M extra cut. I am all for the less aggresive method but since M105 is out there now, when needed that is my compound of choice. Especially with the right pad it can be worked down nicely which makes it easier to follow up than other compounds. No problems here either Lou and Brian-:cheers:
 
Well now there's some problems AR, sure throw your vettes in my face because I drive a ford focus, snob. Lol
 
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