Wolfgang Paint sealant and P21S 100% (and some general Q's)

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I am somewhat of a newbie to the detailing, I recently made a purchase of a number of products from AutoGeek, various cleaners, sealants and the P21S 100% wax. Thus far I have applied 2 coats of the Wolfgang sealant, is that enough? Waiting 12hrs between coats sucks! But the car looks awesome! I was planning on two coats of the sealant then top it with the P21S wax, is a few hours I am ready for the wax.

My question I have with applying the P21S, I understand 100% carnauba is not the longest lasting wax, 1-3 months, when I need to reapply the wax should I reapply more sealant (wolfgang is about 6months)? Or just wash or wash and use the P21S paint cleanser, then re-wax? I figure twice a year I will apply sealent (1-2) coats and everything 3months apply the P21S (depending on surface condtions and appearance of course)

My car is garage kept most of the time, driven maybe 3-4 times a week, if I were to guess it is out in the "elements" 15-25hrs a week, I live in the PA so sun is not the most abundent, pretty much split between the sun, clouds, and rain (snow in winter only driven if roads are clear)

And a general question on sealants and waxes, is the Wolfgang, Klasse, etc sealants or P21S, Mothers, Pinnacle, etc waxes enough protection themselves? I come from a background of waxing twice a year.

BTW what is LSP?

Thats all I can think of for now, thanks for the help!
 
2 coats of dgps is recommended, any more is not really going to improve either the looks or durability, so you are pretty much just wasting product and time after that. Waiting sucks, but at least the car has some protection. I usually apply the next coat after my next wash.

I haven't used p21s but with most waxes you just re-apply it any time, you shouldn't need to redo the sealant every time. You mentioned a cleaner, which might strip the sealant and wax. If there is a cleaner and a wax, just use the wax, you can use the cleaner when you redo the sealant (the cleaner should go on before the sealant). You will know it is time to reapply when the water beading gets larger or water starts to run off the car, or when you think the gloss is starting to give.

Any sealant or wax by wolfgang, pinnacle, klasse, meguiars, etc is ok to use as a single step and will give the car some lasting protection. They are not really made to be layered, it just happens that layering certain products on top of others creates a synergy which is better than either of the products used.

LSP = Last Step Product, Waxing and Sealing isn't really a step in the paint correction process which includes Cleaning, Compounding and Polishing. Once the paint is perfect, it is LSP Ready, meaning it is ready to apply your sealant and/or wax.
 
Good answers, lgtspecb. Eyecandy, P21S 100% will probaby give you 3 mos. of protection since it is garaged and you only drive 15-25 miles a week. Do you wash once a week?
 
P21S is a pretty darn nice topper, but Wolfgang is a nice final product on its own. It would be nice to hear your thoughts and pics as possible.
 
Thanks for the response guys.

Igtspecb, the cleaner I was referring too is the P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork cleanser P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser car polish - This pre-wax cleaner and polish is a German blend of quality ingredients that will make wax, SO I would only use that when I need to reapply more sealant?

Does layering a wax over a sealant make the sealant last longer than if the sealant were used by itself?

I typically wash as needed, since it does not get out much its usually 1-2 weeks, depending on what the weather conditions were, lately its been 2weeks. I take it the more you wash it the more you are washing away the wax/sealant, I use a Meguairs Hi-Tech 00 Meguiar's Direct Hi-Tech Car Wash It was recomended by my local paint supply shop while I was doing some painting last year, so now continue to use it, its says on the bottle it does not strip waxes/sealants and so forth, its on the mild side, I guess that is why it is recommended for painting. I am sure there are others paintable safe soaps out there, just never actually looked into any others.

I guess its time to apply some wax, hopefully the weather will hold up so I can roll it out and snap some pics to share with everyone.

Lasltly while I was thinking of it, I can use a detailing spray wax too touch up as needed while on the go, like the WG DG spritz, Mequiars, etc?
 
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eyecandy said:
Thanks for the response guys.

Igtspecb, the cleaner I was referring too is the P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork cleanser P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser car polish - This pre-wax cleaner and polish is a German blend of quality ingredients that will make wax, SO I would only use that when I need to reapply more sealant?
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Correct. The Paintwork Cleanser will clean your paint of all protection, so you will need to follow-up with a fresh coat of sealant.

Does layering a wax over a sealant make the sealant last longer than if the sealant were used by itself?
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Good question. The popular theory is that the wax makes the sealant last longer because the wax serves as a sacrificial barrier between the elements and the sealant. But some suggest that the wax may compromise the durability of the sealant. I wrote Duragloss about this and they explicitly recommended that I not top their 105 sealant with a carnauba wax, precisely because of this concern. I do not know of any evidence beyond the anecdotal that would support one theory over the other. A lot of people top their sealants with waxes--so far the sky has not fallen. :)

Lasltly while I was thinking of it, I can use a detailing spray wax too touch up as needed while on the go, like the WG DG spritz, Mequiars, etc?
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A lot of people use a spray wax as a way to maintain the shine. Duragloss' AquaWax is very popular and well reviewed. Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax has been getting some good press recently, too. I haven't tried these spray waxes yet. The way I figure it, if I'm going to spend the money on a good carnauba wax like P21S 100%, then that is what I want to apply when my car needs a fresh coat of wax. It is, after all, reputed to be an incredibly easy wax to apply and remove.


Cheers,
Al
 
eyecandy said:
Thanks for the response guys.

Igtspecb, the cleaner I was referring too is the P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork cleanser P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser car polish - This pre-wax cleaner and polish is a German blend of quality ingredients that will make wax, SO I would only use that when I need to reapply more sealant?

Does layering a wax over a sealant make the sealant last longer than if the sealant were used by itself?

I typically wash as needed, since it does not get out much its usually 1-2 weeks, depending on what the weather conditions were, lately its been 2weeks. I take it the more you wash it the more you are washing away the wax/sealant, I use a Meguairs Hi-Tech 00 Meguiar's Direct Hi-Tech Car Wash It was recomended by my local paint supply shop while I was doing some painting last year, so now continue to use it, its says on the bottle it does not strip waxes/sealants and so forth, its on the mild side, I guess that is why it is recommended for painting. I am sure there are others paintable safe soaps out there, just never actually looked into any others.

I guess its time to apply some wax, hopefully the weather will hold up so I can roll it out and snap some pics to share with everyone.

Lasltly while I was thinking of it, I can use a detailing spray wax too touch up as needed while on the go, like the WG DG spritz, Mequiars, etc?
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I would look into using ONR for your wash. You can use it QD strength using a spray bottle when your car is just slightly dirty. Saves time and water. Easly done in your garage without flooding it.
 
Wax over sealant is a great idea. I don't know any studies, but it works great for me (see my sig). The WGDG detail spritz is great too, as is FK1 #425 and Meguiar's UQD.

Eyecandy, you are getting the right idea. Now go and try some... and post photos!
 
Rsurfer said:
I would look into using ONR for your wash. You can use it QD strength using a spray bottle when your car is just slightly dirty. Saves time and water. Easly done in your garage without flooding it.
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What is ONR?

gokartmozart said:
Wax over sealant is a great idea. I don't know any studies, but it works great for me (see my sig). The WGDG detail spritz is great too, as is FK1 #425 and Meguiar's UQD.

Eyecandy, you are getting the right idea. Now go and try some... and post photos!
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What is FK1? Its done and pics and mini review is on the way!
 
Alright, here is my mini review. I have never used products of this caliber or type (typically OTC mothers/turtle wax), so far I am very pleased with the results.

I started off washing the car, clay bar, then washed again. After it was dry I used the P21S paint cleanser. I applied the first coat of Wolfgang DGS by hand, unfortunately I was on a time schedule and I could not find my loan red lake country pad, during the 12hr cure time it gave me time to find my pad for the Flex 3401, so the second layer was applied with the Flex. I will have to say time wise is about the same for hand application v machine, but less effort with the machine, and I feel the application with the machine would yield better coverage give the speed/stroke. After the second layer of DGS I let it cure again and applied the P21S 100% wax. I will say the overall shine is the same, but there is definatly a difference in the depth, the P21S does add some depth to the finish, its not much, the difference was visible when I compared them side by side. Perhaps the color of the car has some effect on it, being a metallic silver, so I figure a black would show more depth. Perhaps I will add a second layer and see if there is a difference.

With all that being said, I am definatly a believer in sealants. I will have to decide in the next month or two for my Lexus if I want to apply more wax or stick with the sealant only...time will tell. I think I will use this on my daily driver from now on, quick to apply and long lasting.

Just a note on the P21S 100% carnauba wax I read some reviews of this being hard to apply and buff (perhaps this was the older or standard standard type), but I have to say the P21S 100% was by far the most user-friendly wax I have used!! The application was smooth and buffed off with almost no effort! Big props to P21S!! I just hope it holds up well...

Here are a few pics, the weather was not cooperating with the overcast skies, so I could not get much in the way of reflections, and my garage lighting sucks! Time for some more lights! Try to enjoy the pics, they do not do it justice!!

On the wheels I used the P21S wheel cleaner, ARO (for tires) and PoorBoys Wheel sealant. They look better than new!

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Thanks, I will have to get some better pics when the weather is cooperating, I know its hard to tell in the pics because of the lighting, and the metallic silver typically turns out good in pics clean or dirty, lol its always hard to tell the finish, but its sparkling!

Is the FK/ONR safe to use if the surface has dust, pollen, etc? IDK I just find it hard to believe you can clean without scratching....
 
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killrwheels@autogeek said:
P21S is a pretty darn nice topper, but Wolfgang is a nice final product on its own. It would be nice to hear your thoughts and pics as possible.
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I agree 100% with Killrwheels on this, I have topped with some of the best waxes.....Fuzion, Pinnacle etc.....besides the durability factor and protection, the Wolfgang DGPS 3.0 to me looks better on its own..........my two pennies...cha ching !!
 
Is it just me or is the man in the "ONR Demo" using a filthy mitt?
Sorry to break subject but it made me cringe
 
I didn't watch the videos (i've been using onr now for a while and have probably already seen them before), but I know your wash media dirties pretty quickly with ONR. It is definitely still safe and effective. A couple extra towels or a second mitt is nice but not required. The ONR videos i've seen online are not necessarily best practices.
 
nosbusa said:
Will P21s paint cleanser remove Zaino?
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I would assume all paint cleansers would remove any sealant/wax, as it is used to "clean" the surface before you apply new sealant/wax.
 
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