Rinseless Wash Pre-Soak?

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Can some of you rinseless washers that do the pre-soak thing answer a few questions?

1. What is the best ratio?
I have read to use the regular wash ratio and have also read to use the QD ratio. Quite a difference.

2. Do you really soak/saturate the dirt with the pre-soak solution?

3. Do you leave the solution on the paint for a few minutes for it to do its work before doing the actual wash?

4. Does the pre-soak actually loosen caked on dirt to the point where it could be rinsed away with a hose?
If it doesn't, I don't think I would be comfortable using the rinseless wash with a mitt/sponge/MF towel. It seems like you would be grinding the crud into the paint.

I have become a big fan of rinseless washes over the past couple of years, but.......
Anytime I have a heavy accumulation of crud, I first spray the vehicle off to remove most of the caked on stuff. In the winter, I do it at the DIY spray wash. In the summer, I use my hose in the driveway.
I then do the rinseless wash in my garage. The pre-soak would seem to be somewhat of a time saver if it is all that is needed.
 
This is kind of a bump. :D
Over 30 views with no replies. :confused:
Does that mean that pre-soaking is not all that common or that those that pre-soak haven't stopped by yet?
 
Charles- For a while I used a 1 gal pesticide sprayer filled with ONR at QD strength. I sprayed the entire car and then went to work using 2 buckets and normal ONR wash. I found that I would get some minor water spotting, especially on hotter days even in my garage. Yes I do have hard water. These spots weren't bad and came off through the normal wash teqnique. Nowadays, I just used my normal ONR QD bottle and I spritz either 1 panel at a time or maybe the entire side of the car and then proceed. I use the pre-spray at QD strength because IMO it's not really necessary to pre-soak and I always have a batch of ONR QD available for refills.
 
dublifecrisis said:
Charles- For a while I used a 1 gal pesticide sprayer filled with ONR at QD strength. I sprayed the entire car and then went to work using 2 buckets and normal ONR wash. I found that I would get some minor water spotting, especially on hotter days even in my garage. Yes I do have hard water. These spots weren't bad and came off through the normal wash teqnique. Nowadays, I just used my normal ONR QD bottle and I spritz either 1 panel at a time or maybe the entire side of the car and then proceed. I use the pre-spray at QD strength because IMO it's not really necessary to pre-soak and I always have a batch of ONR QD available for refills.
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Thanks!
That's the kind of information I'm looking for.

Chances are, you don't have the caked on mud/salt/slush stuff we experience during the winter in the northern states, but.....
Do you get any type of caked on crud from rain and mud accumulations?
I'm not talking about off-roading mud clumps, but it is not uncommon for the
stuff to be an 1/8" to 1/4" thick sometimes. That's the accumulation I go to the DIY carwash or spray off with a hose before wshing.
Do you think the pre-soak would break up that type of coverage?

I guess I could just try it and see or maybe just keep doing what I'm doing now. It's more effort and takes more time, but it does prevent damage to the paint when washing.
 
I use Wolfgang car wash in a foam gun. Rinse, foam, let sit, foam more, let sit, foam more, let sit, rinse. The car is clean other than water drops. Truly amazing.
 
smokin' mark said:
I use Wolfgang car wash in a foam gun. Rinse, foam, let sit, foam more, let sit, foam more, let sit, rinse. The car is clean other than water drops. Truly amazing.
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Nice process, but not too related to rinseless washing.
It might work in the warm weather, but when the temperature is below freezing, it wouldn't work for me. Probably a little iffy in the direct sunlight as well. With a rinseless or waterless wash, I can wash the vehicles in the garage about anytime I feel like it. I'm looking for a way to eliminate a step, not add more.
 
Charles, I just spray the vehicle down with ONR prior to washing. I have not experienced a situation where I needed a pre-wash but I would not hesitate (as long as it is able freezing) to do it.
 
Bunky said:
Charles, I just spray the vehicle down with ONR prior to washing. I have not experienced a situation where I needed a pre-wash but I would not hesitate (as long as it is able freezing) to do it.
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Thanks.
Actually, the only time I would really feel a pre-soak was needed was when the vehicle was pretty well coated with crud.
I think the present way I'm doing it is probably best for me.
When caked on dirt is present, I'll hit the DIY or drag out the hose, then do the rinseless wash in the garage.
For normal dirt accumulations, I have never used or even felt the need for the pre-soak.
Like has been said many times, "Whatever works for you", and that seems to be working pretty good. :)
 
charles,

i have been using the dp 4 in1 you gave me at qd strength (thanks again) on the lower panels of the suburban then use a normal onr wash after sitting for a couple minutes, however i still use a judgement on when to use it and when in doubt i will rinse with a hose first. in fact if there is anything that resembles something that might scratch i rinse.
 
CharlesW said:
Nice process, but not too related to rinseless washing.
It might work in the warm weather, but when the temperature is below freezing, it wouldn't work for me. Probably a little iffy in the direct sunlight as well. With a rinseless or waterless wash, I can wash the vehicles in the garage about anytime I feel like it. I'm looking for a way to eliminate a step, not add more.
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Sorry...I misread your question. I thought you meant "touchless" wash.
 
smokin' mark said:
Sorry...I misread your question. I thought you meant "touchless" wash.
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No Problem. :)
You answered my question as you understood it and the answer contained some information I was not aware of.
It does surprise me that you are getting those results with a touchless process. :awesome:
 
It won't work if the car hasn't been washed for three months or anything. But the WG wash seems to have some magic ability to "lift" dirt off the surfaces. It was BOGO a while ago so I thought I'd try it.
 
Follow the ratios they Work Perfect. I now use the QD ratio for all my claying and the Lubricity is Awsome. I turned a few Swirl Bucket Washer in the neigborhood onto the stuff and they Love it! The residual beading 2 weeks later is amazing. The Product can be sponged on and sit for 30 minutes and will not spot as long as you are not in direct sunlight and yes it will break down what is left behind after a quick rise of the vehicle to start with.
 
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