5.5 CCS v 6.5 CCS
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Mike Phillips
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Take any type of paint cleaner, compound, cleaner/polish or ever a cleaner/wax and apply some to a section of the hood with a white applicator or even a piece of white cloth and work it in for a few seconds and then turn the cloth over and see if there's red pigment transferring to your applicator cloth, if there is then it's a single stage finish and it will be and easy fix.
If you see no color and likely a little gray or brown color which would be dirt build-up, then it has a clear coat and you're correct in that the clear coat is failing or on it's way to failing and there's no honest fix for it.
The problem with clear coat failure is that it's not a topical problem like oxidation, but instead the entire matrix or thickness of the clear layer is deteriorating so working on the surface won't fix the problem.
Mike Phillips
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That would work too but afterwards you would have to remove your sanding marks. A safer approach would be to rub just about any paint cleaner or compound onto a small section and then turn your cloth over and look for pigment or lack thereof.
You're right about truck in that by 1996 most everything coming out of Detroit was clearcoated.
I was calling on body shops starting in 1988 and believe it or not there were still body shops shooting single stage and resisting switching over to the new clearcoat technology. Problem with this is when a customer brings you a wrecked Honda with a clear coat finish you can't do the repair and then spray single stage because even if you matched the color it was never going to look the same. Believe it or not I actually called on shops that were doing this. LOL With time and government regulations however everyone switched over.
Ah... the good old days in Oregon and Washington...
belcherm58
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My thoughts exactly. I have heard that Ford does not clearTake any type of paint cleaner, compound, cleaner/polish or ever a cleaner/wax and apply some to a section of the hood with a white applicator or even a piece of white cloth and work it in for a few seconds and then turn the cloth over and see if there's red pigment transferring to your applicator cloth, if there is then it's a single stage finish and it will be and easy fix.
If you see no color and likely a little gray or brown color which would be dirt build-up, then it has a clear coat and you're correct in that the clear coat is failing or on it's way to failing and there's no honest fix for it.
The problem with clear coat failure is that it's not a topical problem like oxidation, but instead the entire matrix or thickness of the clear layer is deteriorating so working on the surface won't fix the problem.
coat non metallic paints. I had a detail on a green metallic
Mustang that exhibited the milky color. I knew the clear coat
was failing and told the owner that before I started. I was able to bring the shine back on the sides of the car. The hood was the worst from the heat of the engine and could not be
corrected. The truck lid came back pretty good but not like I wanted. Fortunately it was a convertible and the roof was not an issue. Thanks for the advice Mike. :dblthumb2:
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tWiStEd-tORqUe
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Thanx mike for Info,
for me this is the end of the long Going debate on 5.5" 6.5" which one is better Question ,, ,
off topic a bit , Why you call it a BMW Truck since its a Datsun LOL
for me this is the end of the long Going debate on 5.5" 6.5" which one is better Question ,, ,
off topic a bit , Why you call it a BMW Truck since its a Datsun LOL
Superdutytd
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Didn't mike just get done saying how everything is now clear coated? I have three fords that all are non-metallic and have worked on countless others that all have clearcoated paint.
Mike Phillips
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See post #17 on page 2 of this same thread.
It's apparently a failed attempt at humor. I had a BMW badge laying around in the garage and snagged another one while in a wrecking yard, a little Goop glue and Ta Da... a BMW truck.
The cup holder's even better...
Pre-Cup Holder Datsuns - An upgrade you can do with simple tools at home
Mike Phillips
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Not 100% of everything is clear coated but upwards of 99% of new cars, trucks and s.u.v.s are clear coated. There's a few cars here and there that get a single stage paint finish but it's still a modern paint system, not an old solvent-evaporation lacquer or enamel paint like came on a 1965 Mustang. Then there's a few car companies that spray a tinted clear but again, it's a pretty small percentage.
Clearcoat paints tend to last a long time which is something consumer's like but don't confuse last a long time with look good a long time as a swirled out clear coat can still last a long time but it sure doesn't look good. (At least to our standards)
Superdutytd
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Not 100% of everything is clear coated but upwards of 99% of new cars, trucks and s.u.v.s are clear coated. There's a few cars here and there that get a single stage paint finish but it's still a modern paint system, not an old solvent-evaporation lacquer or enamel paint like came on a 1965 Mustang. Then there's a few car companies that spray a tinted clear but again, it's a pretty small percentage.
Clearcoat paints tend to last a long time which is something consumer's like but don't confuse last a long time with look good a long time as a swirled out clear coat can still last a long time but it sure doesn't look good. (At least to our standards)
I've heard of a couple of Lexus models have the tinted clear coats? It seems like an interesting idea. Are there any cars coming from a manufacturer that are not base/clear?
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I believe Toyota's white is not clear coated.