Not Getting the Paint To " Pop"

jpegs13 said:
What then is the 106FA used as?
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That's what I'm trying to clarify. I have the Menzerna products, Power Gloss POS34A, Super Intensive Polish PO83Q as well as Super Finish "Nano" PO106FA. (I might add AG recommended the 106 to finish when I originally made my order.)

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If you look at the chart, grit & gloss wise 106 is the same as 85RD. I was just wondering if there is something about it content wise that made it a little better for the final.

I've tested with all of them and got good results on a junk panel with 106 & black pad.

Unless anybody can answer any different, they would seem to be equal but 106 will cut a little better if you're trying to do a little correction and polish in one stage.

But has been posted on here, my take is you can probably use either, Meg's 205 or I've seen used alot Ultrafina. The key seems to be picking one of these polishes and picking the right pad and honing your process.

If not, if you've corrected and got everything out and don't need any cut and all your doing is going after shine, why PO115CQ wouldn't be used.
 
frosty said:
That's what I'm trying to clarify. I have the Menzerna products, Power Gloss POS34A, Super Intensive Polish PO83Q as well as Super Finish "Nano" PO106FA. (I might add AG recommended the 106 to finish when I originally made my order.)

Menzerna Polishing Compounds Products, menzerna polishes, menzerna car polish, menzerna nano polish, menzerna final polish, menzerna compound,

If you look at the chart, grit & gloss wise 106 is the same as 85RD. I was just wondering if there is something about it content wise that made it a little better for the final.

I've tested with all of them and got good results on a junk panel with 106 & black pad.

Unless anybody can answer any different, they would seem to be equal but 106 will cut a little better if you're trying to do a little correction and polish in one stage.

But has been posted on here, my take is you can probably use either, Meg's 205 or I've seen used alot Ultrafina. The key seems to be picking one of these polishes and picking the right pad and honing your process.

If not, if you've corrected and got everything out and don't need any cut and all your doing is going after shine, why PO115CQ wouldn't be used.
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Frosty, I don't know what chart you have, but I show 106FA having a cut of 2.5 and 85rd having a cut of 1.
 
frosty said:
If you look at the chart, grit & gloss wise 106 is the same as 85RD.
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106ff/fa does not have the same cut as 85rd.

106: Cut 2.5 ; Gloss 5
85rd: Cut 1.5 ; Gloss 5

They are both related as the same gloss levels but my experience with them proves otherwise.

frosty said:
Unless anybody can answer any different, they would seem to be equal but 106 will cut a little better if you're trying to do a little correction and polish in one stage.
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Thats the thing, 106ff/fa will correct some very minor leftovers from previous correction step / imperfections.

85rd is used when all correction is done and you are ready to very finely burnish the clear coat in order to get the maximum gloss potential by making the surface as microscopically level as possible... Doing this step with a no cut pad also ensures no rotary holograms
frosty said:
But has been posted on here, my take is you can probably use either, Meg's 205 or I've seen used alot Ultrafina.
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While finishing with M205 is possible I still have not been able to the max gloss as my normal finishing process...more work yes, but it is worth it to me
 
Rsurfer said:
Frosty, I don't know what chart you have, but I show 106FA having a cut of 2.5 and 85rd having a cut of 1.
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I'm with you RSurfer on the cut. Here was my last post.

"grit & gloss wise 106 is the same as 85RD"

I was stating that they are both rated as effective on 2,500 grit scratches and both have a 5 rating on gloss.

I had thought someody said use 85 and then 106 to finish in a previous post and that didn't make sense as the 106 is supposed to have more cut. At the very least I would have thought them to be the same when it came down to shine.

Plus when I ordered my products AG recommended 106 as the final to get the shine. Now I read this and I'm trying to decide if it's the product or can you get the same with both and it's just a matter of preference.

I went ahead and ordered some 85rd to test for myself but I was trying to distinguish what's in the 85 that makes it any different than the 106. On paper they have the same gloss factor. That's all.

Personally I've been trying Meg's 105 & 205 and part of the questions was can you finish up with most any 2500 grit finishing polish if you find the right combination of pad and preference.

Personally, since Menzerna I have less problems with dusting, I'm going to try Power Gloss, then 205 and then something for the pop just to see what I can come up from a cost effectiveness standpoint and not sacrifice quality.

jpegs, I apoloize if this is hi-jacking your thread. I had this same exact question and thought it would be better to join in this post versus having a separate one. If not, I'll be glad to start another.

Thanks.
 
frosty said:
jpegs, I apoloize if this is hi-jacking your thread. I had this same exact question and thought it would be better to join in this post versus having a separate one. If not, I'll be glad to start another.

Thanks.
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No you're not hi-jacking it, it's all useful information. Now If I could just have some help on which pads with which product. Man, this is harder than work was. And with all of the products out there, narrowing it down to a specific brand is the way to go. From what I've read here Menzerna seems to be a forum fav, so I've decided to stay with them.
 
jpegs13 said:
Now If I could just have some help on which pads with which product. Man, this is harder than work was. And with all of the products out there, narrowing it down to a specific brand is the way to go.
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You're telling me, I've probably dropped over 3k in 3 weeks chasing this product and that product. Then I see this thread and "have" to order something else.

If you check the link out I posted, they actually make pad recommendations.

Then pair that up with this link.
Learn how to use the Porter Cable 7424 dual action buffer with CCS Smart Pads by Lake Country. Polish swirl remover car wax polisher wax buffing pad

Me with my limited experience, I'd SIP with probably an Orange and then 106FA with a white or maybe Gray. For the 85rd, I'd go black or maybe Green. I just got some free blues I'm going to try as well.

I think you'll probably won't to get a variety and try and see what works for you and use the links and comments on her as a guide.
 
frosty said:
You're telling me, I've probably dropped over 3k in 3 weeks chasing this product and that product. Then I see this thread and "have" to order something else.

If you check the link out I posted, they actually make pad recommendations.

Then pair that up with this link.
Learn how to use the Porter Cable 7424 dual action buffer with CCS Smart Pads by Lake Country. Polish swirl remover car wax polisher wax buffing pad

Me with my limited experience, I'd SIP with probably an Orange and then 106FA with a white or maybe Gray. For the 85rd, I'd go black or maybe Green. I just got some free blues I'm going to try as well.

I think you'll probably won't to get a variety and try and see what works for you and use the links and comments on her as a guide.
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If your going with SIP-orange..106-white..go with a blue pad for jeweling with 85rd.
 
frosty said:
I'd like to start searching for just a that little bit extra as well. I looked at the specs of the PO 106FA which I have and the 85rd. They're both rated at removing 2500 grit scratches as is the Meg's 205.

Also, I saw the stand up job you did on the red gallardo using Ultrafina. My question is for that extra pop, can you get it with most of the polishes out there rated at 2500 grit or higher with the right finishing pad? Or is there something particular about 85rd or Ultrafina that other polishes don't have?

Just trying to clarify before I go an order yet another polish. :)
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Ultrafina and 85rd will give you the best gloss posible. Depending on the color..you will see more or less pop. I perfer to use Ultrafina on a rotary at 1800rpm using a 3m Ultrafina blue pad. 85rd will work better with a DA and a blue LC pad.
 
jpegs13 said:
I just placed an order for Menzerna 85rd and some other stuff. I've seen some of the stuff you've posted THAT'S why i'm frustrated. You guys do amazing work and I'm having trouble getting even close.
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Patients is your best friend when polishing, if you use patients you will be rewarded with a nice finish.

frosty said:
I'd like to start searching for just a that little bit extra as well. I looked at the specs of the PO 106FA which I have and the 85rd. They're both rated at removing 2500 grit scratches as is the Meg's 205.

Also, I saw the stand up job you did on the red gallardo using Ultrafina. My question is for that extra pop, can you get it with most of the polishes out there rated at 2500 grit or higher with the right finishing pad? Or is there something particular about 85rd or Ultrafina that other polishes don't have?

Just trying to clarify before I go an order yet another polish. :)
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Personally I wouldn't remove 2500 grit sanding marks with 85rd. 106fa has slightly more cut than 85rd, so you would use that before using 85rd or Ultrafina. I always follow up 106fa/ff and 205 with 85rd or Ultrafina. You want a polish with as little cut as possible for your final polishing. I do not judge a polish by what it says on taking out sanding marks, it is about using the correct polish for that given problem.

Sorry for replying so late, dealing with my dad being sick in the hospital and having to go out of town on business I just now saw these posts. If you guys have any other questions would be more than happy to answer them.
 
Hey John,
Patience is key when it comes to polishing, especially with a DA. Just make sure you are really working that 85rd in when you receive it.... it is going to feel like forever, but the results are stunning. Not sure if you are experienced with a rotary, since it would be a lot faster. You can achieve the same results with your DA.... just make sure you take your time. BTW... I have always used ultrafine by 3m for jeweling my paint until I was introduced to 85rd by this site. Let me tell ya... I am never going back!
 
LincolnZephyr2006 said:
Hey John,
Patience is key when it comes to polishing, especially with a DA. Just make sure you are really working that 85rd in when you receive it.... it is going to feel like forever, but the results are stunning. Not sure if you are experienced with a rotary, since it would be a lot faster. You can achieve the same results with your DA.... just make sure you take your time. BTW... I have always used ultrafine by 3m for jeweling my paint until I was introduced to 85rd by this site. Let me tell ya... I am never going back!
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Thanks I appriciate the input. For now I'm going to stick with the DA. With winter setting in, I have tons of time now. Garage is heated so hopefully I'll get it right before spring!
 
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