Layer Collinite #845 over a sealant??

TLMitchell said:
I'm waiting for a reply from Collinite re: 845s solvents, layering, sealants etc.
I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Got a reply from a chemist at Collinite this morning:

"Thanks for your email. I don't believe that you would have to worry about
the solvent content of #845 Liquid Insulator Wax would strip an existing
coat of wax or sealant. Say by chance you had to remove a coat of Collinite
from the car because it needed body work, you would need to use prep-solv to
completely remove the wax. I haven't received any complaints from detailers
or customers regarding the wax "stripping" a previous coat of wax or
sealant. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further information."

:xyxthumbs: From the horses mouth.

TL
 
TLMitchell said:
Got a reply from a chemist at Collinite this morning:

"Thanks for your email. I don't believe that you would have to worry about
the solvent content of #845 Liquid Insulator Wax would strip an existing
coat of wax or sealant. Say by chance you had to remove a coat of Collinite
from the car because it needed body work, you would need to use prep-solv to
completely remove the wax. I haven't received any complaints from detailers
or customers regarding the wax "stripping" a previous coat of wax or
sealant. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further information."

:xyxthumbs: From the horses mouth.

TL
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Thanks for the info TL. Got your PM too. Appreciate it!

T
 
trichard said:
Thanks for the info TL. Got your PM too. Appreciate it!

T
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Got a blurb from Dr. G at Optimum as well since I was specifically interested in topping Opti Seal with 845.....
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Thank you for your email and using the Optimum Car Care products. Opti-Seal
should fully cross-link and hold up if you allow a minimum of 24 hours
before applying Collinite 845.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi, CEO
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc
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TL
 
TLMitchell said:
Got a blurb from Dr. G at Optimum as well since I was specifically interested in topping Opti Seal with 845.....
*******************************************
Thank you for your email and using the Optimum Car Care products. Opti-Seal
should fully cross-link and hold up if you allow a minimum of 24 hours
before applying Collinite 845.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi, CEO
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc
*******************************************

TL
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Thanks again! Sounds like a bullet proof combo:dblthumb2:

T
 
845 has so much solvent in it that I wouldn't bother trying to "layer" it. Plus, it's so durable on its own that it's not really necessary.
 
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TLMitchell said:
Got a reply from a chemist at Collinite this morning:

"Thanks for your email. I don't believe that you would have to worry about
the solvent content of #845 Liquid Insulator Wax would strip an existing
coat of wax or sealant. Say by chance you had to remove a coat of Collinite
from the car because it needed body work, you would need to use prep-solv to
completely remove the wax. I haven't received any complaints from detailers
or customers regarding the wax "stripping" a previous coat of wax or
sealant. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any further information."

:xyxthumbs: From the horses mouth.

TL
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I think this says it all. :props:

A note on Prep-Sol

 Prep-Sol is a cleaning solvent specifically designed for initial surface preparation before painting. Prep-Sol works well on the following difficult to remove elements: wax, grease, silicone, dirt, tar, insect remnants, road film and pin stripe adhesives.
 
[email protected] said:
845 has so much solvent in it that I wouldn't bother trying to "layer" it. Plus, it's so durable on its own that it's not really necessary.
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As both Dr. G and the Collinite folks pointed out about their own products, it appears the solvents are a moot point. Dr. G. says after sufficient time for crosslinking to occur his product won't be adversely affected by 845. The Collinite folks offer that the solvents in 845 aren't self-stripping, leading one to believe actual layering will occur. Maybe I'm just goofy but I tend to think the manufacturers probably know more about the products they make than anyone else.

As for durability, that's the reason people choose Collinite. 845 looks superb on everything I've ever used it on. Still, on white I've been looking for a little something extra.

After being an 845 devotee for as long as I can remember I started looking at sealants over the last year. I was impressed with the slickness and ease of use of both Jetseal 109 and BFWD. The look on white didn't appear to offer anything above 845, IMO, and there's no comparison to longevity and beading over time.

When I used Opti Seal for the first time I was floored... there was a noticeable difference... on white. I suppose it was that sterile Zaino-like, plastic shine that I've seen referred to. It really made the white finish jump out and grab your attention. The beading is pretty incredible right after application as well. The longevity is reported to be sub par compared to any of the Collinite products though. In an effort to have my cake and eat it too I'd like to have the eye-grabbing effects of Opti Seal as well as the longevity of 845. One thing I noticed about the Opti Seal as well as other LSPs I've used... I drove home in a light rain today and the vehicle looked splashed and dirty. After a drive in the rain after a fresh application of 845 it's almost like dirt doesn't stick. It doesn't look like it needs washed. One of the nice bonuses of 845 that I've heard numerous people remark on.

Much of what we do, especially to our personal vehicles, may be as much personal perception as reality. It's almost an 'if it feels good, do it' type of endeavor at times. Which is probably why a wise man once said "find something you like and use it often".

After the next wash I think I'll do a wipe down with Last Touch and hit it with 845. Maybe multiple coats. If my personal perception is that it's a good thing then it is. ::::shrug::: Different strokes and all that.

TL
 
One thing I'm not so clear on...Collinite has a reputation for lasting as long, if not longer, than most sealants. Perhaps Klasse is a strong contender to the title.

What is the intention when folks layer it over a sealant?

I have Klasse SG on a new car, almost 2 months now. It's still very slick, beads very well, and still has a decent shine. However, as others have commented on other threads, there is a "plasticky" shine to it...deep but not really wet.

I recently picked up some PB Black Hole glaze, Klasse AIO, Menzerna 85rd, and OCW. I already had PB-EXP which I like a lot on my silver Odyssey.

Will the Collinite give a wetter look than OCW (topped over Klasse AIO/SG)? Will the AIO/SG be visible under the Collinite?

No matter what I put on, I'll most likely maintain every wash with OCW.
 
To clarify, if Collinite lasts longer than most sealants, say EXP, why would you even put it on over the sealant? Is there a visual appeal that makes it worthwhile enough to disregard the durability aspect?
 
TLMitchell said:
As both Dr. G and the Collinite folks pointed out about their own products, it appears the solvents are a moot point. Dr. G. says after sufficient time for crosslinking to occur his product won't be adversely affected by 845. The Collinite folks offer that the solvents in 845 aren't self-stripping, leading one to believe actual layering will occur. Maybe I'm just goofy but I tend to think the manufacturers probably know more about the products they make than anyone else.

As for durability, that's the reason people choose Collinite. 845 looks superb on everything I've ever used it on. Still, on white I've been looking for a little something extra.

After being an 845 devotee for as long as I can remember I started looking at sealants over the last year. I was impressed with the slickness and ease of use of both Jetseal 109 and BFWD. The look on white didn't appear to offer anything above 845, IMO, and there's no comparison to longevity and beading over time.

When I used Opti Seal for the first time I was floored... there was a noticeable difference... on white. I suppose it was that sterile Zaino-like, plastic shine that I've seen referred to. It really made the white finish jump out and grab your attention. The beading is pretty incredible right after application as well. The longevity is reported to be sub par compared to any of the Collinite products though. In an effort to have my cake and eat it too I'd like to have the eye-grabbing effects of Opti Seal as well as the longevity of 845. One thing I noticed about the Opti Seal as well as other LSPs I've used... I drove home in a light rain today and the vehicle looked splashed and dirty. After a drive in the rain after a fresh application of 845 it's almost like dirt doesn't stick. It doesn't look like it needs washed. One of the nice bonuses of 845 that I've heard numerous people remark on.

Much of what we do, especially to our personal vehicles, may be as much personal perception as reality. It's almost an 'if it feels good, do it' type of endeavor at times. Which is probably why a wise man once said "find something you like and use it often".

After the next wash I think I'll do a wipe down with Last Touch and hit it with 845. Maybe multiple coats. If my personal perception is that it's a good thing then it is. ::::shrug::: Different strokes and all that.

TL
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Thank you so much for your thoughts and experience TL. I have 2 layer's of BFWD on my black car right now and really wanted to tr out 845 for the first time ever and was worried about solvents in 845 diminishing BFWD.

I feel much more confident now relying on the advice of actual chemists and the product manufacturers them selves mentioning 845 should not strip a well cured wax or sealant.
 
mystickid said:
Thank you so much for your thoughts and experience TL. I have 2 layer's of BFWD on my black car right now and really wanted to tr out 845 for the first time ever and was worried about solvents in 845 diminishing BFWD.

I feel much more confident now relying on the advice of actual chemists and the product manufacturers them selves mentioning 845 should not strip a well cured wax or sealant.
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First post, :welcome:
I saw you commented on one of my Youtube videos, thanks for the compliment! Have you tried out 105/205 yet? You requested more how-to videos on using the Flex, any specific request?

I have a feeling that the solvents in 845 have already done their "dissolving" and now are just ready to evaporate leaving the wax behind. I haven't used my 845 yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
 
DARK HORSE said:
Even though Meggs nxt 2.0 tech wax has the word "wax" right in the name, it is actually a sealant. You can layer a nuba over it, but you should not layer it over another sealant or a nuba.

Meguiars NXT Generation Tech Wax is unlike any other car wax! Tech Wax, a synthetic, scientifically engineered paint sealant, is an alternative to
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I know the general rule is that you should remove existing wax before applying a sealant, but I checked with a Meguiars' tech rep to see what they say about NXT 2.0. I was told that you can layer it over existing wax or sealant w/o any problems. There is no need to strip off existing carnuba. This makes me think it is really a hybrid...not a pure wax nor pure sealant. I would guess the formulation is in the same family as Quik Detail and Quik Wax...both being a polymer. I use them all the time over carnuba. Anyway, I just bought some NXT 2.0 and plan to layer it over One Grand Blitz Wax.
 
pmcjr said:
I know the general rule is that you should remove existing wax before applying a sealant, but I checked with a Meguiars' tech rep to see what they say about NXT 2.0. I was told that you can layer it over existing wax or sealant w/o any problems. There is no need to strip off existing carnuba. This makes me think it is really a hybrid...not a pure wax nor pure sealant. I would guess the formulation is in the same family as Quik Detail and Quik Wax...both being a polymer. I use them all the time over carnuba. Anyway, I just bought some NXT 2.0 and plan to layer it over One Grand Blitz Wax.
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Correct, you don't really need to prep the surface as much as with a pure sealant, but that's because Megs NXT 2.0 contains Kaolin clay (if I spelt that right). Kaolin clay is a cleaner and strips off existing protection and minor waterspots & etc, that's why the only benefit of layering Megs NXT 2.0 you will get is even coverage, due to the fact that you might pass over an area you missed during the first application.
 
Matt said:
Correct, you don't really need to prep the surface as much as with a pure sealant, but that's because Megs NXT 2.0 contains Kaolin clay (if I spelt that right). Kaolin clay is a cleaner and strips off existing protection and minor waterspots & etc, that's why the only benefit of layering Megs NXT 2.0 you will get is even coverage, due to the fact that you might pass over an area you missed during the first application.
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Matt, this is good information. I knew there was something about NXT 2.0 that wasn't pure wax or sealant, but didn't now what. thanks.
 
Dark Horse, a lotta people have successfully applied 845 on both sealants and waxes. It appears to bond to just about anything.

Does it remove part or all of the previously applied wax or sealant? This question can be asked about any protectant. It's not just a matter of solvents but also of the friction generated by application and removal. I see a lot of assertions advanced on the internet about these questions but little experimental data. No one really seems to know, but everyone has an opinion. :)

So I say go ahead and apply 845 on top of whatever and see how you like it. You have absolutely nothing to lose. :cheers:
 
TLMitchell said:
As both Dr. G and the Collinite folks pointed out about their own products, it appears the solvents are a moot point. Dr. G. says after sufficient time for crosslinking to occur his product won't be adversely affected by 845. The Collinite folks offer that the solvents in 845 aren't self-stripping, leading one to believe actual layering will occur. Maybe I'm just goofy but I tend to think the manufacturers probably know more about the products they make than anyone else.

As for durability, that's the reason people choose Collinite. 845 looks superb on everything I've ever used it on. Still, on white I've been looking for a little something extra.

After being an 845 devotee for as long as I can remember I started looking at sealants over the last year. I was impressed with the slickness and ease of use of both Jetseal 109 and BFWD. The look on white didn't appear to offer anything above 845, IMO, and there's no comparison to longevity and beading over time.

When I used Opti Seal for the first time I was floored... there was a noticeable difference... on white. I suppose it was that sterile Zaino-like, plastic shine that I've seen referred to. It really made the white finish jump out and grab your attention. The beading is pretty incredible right after application as well. The longevity is reported to be sub par compared to any of the Collinite products though. In an effort to have my cake and eat it too I'd like to have the eye-grabbing effects of Opti Seal as well as the longevity of 845. One thing I noticed about the Opti Seal as well as other LSPs I've used... I drove home in a light rain today and the vehicle looked splashed and dirty. After a drive in the rain after a fresh application of 845 it's almost like dirt doesn't stick. It doesn't look like it needs washed. One of the nice bonuses of 845 that I've heard numerous people remark on.

Much of what we do, especially to our personal vehicles, may be as much personal perception as reality. It's almost an 'if it feels good, do it' type of endeavor at times. Which is probably why a wise man once said "find something you like and use it often".

After the next wash I think I'll do a wipe down with Last Touch and hit it with 845. Maybe multiple coats. If my personal perception is that it's a good thing then it is. ::::shrug::: Different strokes and all that.

TL
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915 is a pure white nuba paste... looks very good on white... lasts slightly longer then 845... try it out you wont be disappointed Next time I do white I will try using OS with it.
 
Do all sealants give a pop/shine .
How is PB sealant w/carnauba?
Should I put the sealer before or after wax/collinite
 
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