'95 Olds Cutlass Ciera: Detailed with Meguiar's, Menzerna, and Wolfgang

i have seen my fair share of cutlass', and that is by far the cleanest one out there. gotta be. great work.
 
CieraSL said:
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Kinda disappointed in the beading to be honest. I expected the beads to be a bit more uniform and a bit tighter.

Does this have anything to do with the fact that Fuzion and/or DGPS are more sheeting waxes than beading waxes? Also, is Opti-Seal and DGSS more like sheeting waxes than beading waxes?
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Next time the paint is dry, spray just a little water onto the paint and see what it looks like?

I'm not a water beading expert but when it rains as drops of water land on the paint the surface tension can cause the water to pool and pile up which looks like what's happening. I know you can get water to bead and sheet differently just by the way you spray water onto a panel, don't know about rain though...

Here's what I do know...

Water beading is actually a bad thing because it can cause water spots if the water beads dry before you have the chance to dry the car. The problem with this is perception.

Everyone perceives water beading to be a sign of protection and longevity. While it can easily show and prove longevity, anything that lands on the paint that's corrosive enough to etch clear coat paint is going to go right through any layer of wax or paint sealant that's microns or sub-microns thin.


One of the head chemists at Meguiar's actually told me the best protecting polymers or protection ingredients doens't actually bead water very well and in order to use that ingredient and make a product bead water the formula has to be modified to overcome this characteristic.

Interesting?


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Next time the paint is dry, spray just a little water onto the paint and see what it looks like?

I'm not a water beading expert but when it rains as drops of water land on the paint the surface tension can cause the water to pool and pile up which looks like what's happening. I know you can get water to bead and sheet differently just by the way you spray water onto a panel, don't know about rain though...

Here's what I do know...

Water beading is actually a bad thing because it can cause water spots if the water beads dry before you have the chance to dry the car. The problem with this is perception.

Everyone perceives water beading to be a sign of protection and longevity. While it can easily show and prove longevity, anything that lands on the paint that's corrosive enough to etch clear coat paint is going to go right through any layer of wax or paint sealant that's microns or sub-microns thin.


One of the head chemists at Meguiar's actually told me the best protecting polymers or protection ingredients doens't actually bead water very well and in order to use that ingredient and make a product bead water the formula has to be modified to overcome this characteristic.

Interesting?


:)
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Interesting indeed, but this kind of beading I would expect from a wax that is wearing off, not from a week old application. If it doesn't bead well, how will you know if it's still there? Guess I'll have to see what happens when washing and then post back here.
 
Hey Mike, after washing and drying, can I use Optimum Car Wax as a booster over Fuzion? Or would you recommend sticking with Deep Gloss Spritz Sealant? Any other good wax boosters that can be used over Fuzion?
 
CieraSL said:
If it doesn't bead well, how will you know if it's still there?
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That's another reason people like to see water beading, it's a visual indicator that the product they applied is still present on the surface assuming the surface didn't bead well before they applied a product. Thus as you see the water beading diminish you can tell that the applied coating is coming off.

Beading is a sign of surface tension, everyone assumes that if a product creates surface tension that also means the product will prevent something corrosive from etching the paint.

Modern clear coat paints are pretty strong or resistant surface coatings at least compared to old school single stage paints, and these are the primary coatings that have been used to protect panels and create beauty since the time that Ford introduced the Model T and society transition from riding horses to driving cars.

The Model T was introduced in 1908 and manufactured until 1927, in 1928 production of the Model T had stopped and the Model A was introduced. So in the perspective of all known history, the car is a relatively new invention and it was the Model T that was the first mass-produced car that the average person could afford and thus most historians would agree that it was the Model T that transitioned at least the U.S. population from the Horse to the Automobile. And since the introduction of the Model T we have been painting cars with single stage paints up until the early 1980's and since the 1980 to the present basecoat/clearcoat paint systems.

So my point is compared to single stage paints which were the paints used for MOST of the known history of automobile, modern paints, basecoat/clearcoat paints systems are much more durable and resistant to corrosion

Now let me tie tis back to water beading and protection. From what I've seen over my life in the car world, anything that's corrosive enough to ETCH or eat into or stain a modern clear coat finish is strong enough to etch, or eat past the thin layer of wax or paint sealant you apply to your car's paint whether or not that coating beads water or not.

So even if water beading is a sign of protection, anything strong enough to etch the paint, (the stuff under the coating of protection), is strong enough to take out the coating of protection.

So while water beading looks cool, it doesn't mean the coating you applied is actually going to protect the paint from anything bad happening, it means surface tension is present.

We all hope and trust that the formula we're using is actually doing what the manufacture claims and that is providing some level of protection and beauty as most people wax their cars to both protect the paint and make it look beautiful.

Again, one of the head chemists at Meguiar's told me that the best protecting polymers doesn't bead water very well. Now this was a few years ago and chemistry is always changing.

Don't know if any of the above helped.... that's why I always tell people to,


"Find something you like and use it often"
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:)
 
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