THIN is IN. (UPGP and DP Poli)

[sportscarhiatus]

Well folks, thanks to you fellow geek-ers on this forum, I think I have gotten a LOT better at proper application techniques of LSP's. I initially had a thread here with questions primarily about streaking... and to sum it up, the solution is to apply it THIN. So anyways, I learned on two products, Ultima Paint Guard Plus (UPGP) and DP Policoat Sealant. No more "streaks"!!!

I applied UPGP by hand, using the foam applicator it came with. Washed and dried the vehicle, then blew dry it to make sure water was gone from the crevices. I then followed the Ultima instructions down to every step... 2 spritzes to prime, then I went to work on a panel. After that panel was done, I felt like there was more sealant to be spread, so I kept going on 1/2 of another. After I was all done, the MOST I sprayed on 1 panel was 1 spritz. For the Odyssey, I sprayed a total of about 10 spritzes, including the roof. And you know how big a minivan is. I let it cure for 12 hours, then applied a 2nd coat using the same process. Long story short, UPGP is fast becoming my favorite sealant. 10 minutes of application time??? What's not to love. And it rivals 4Star UPP and Powerlock in terms of looks. Remember guys, thin thin thin thin thin. Keep spreading it around till you think you're not spreading any more around. Then KEEP SPREADING IT. Don't give in to the temptation to spritz the pad again Here are the results.

One coat of UPGP:

Then 2 coats of UPGP from today:

I then used the same concept of THIN to using DP Policoat by PC. My first coat left some areas that needed to be buffed quite a lot. In fact, perhaps with the combination of the speed of the pad along with the humidity, etc... the surface just looked uneven. After the 2nd coat however, I think I may have gotten the process down. I used 2 - 3 drops on the pad per panel. The drops were pea-sized. I worked it into the area, and did the whole vehicle. I made sure to spread it super thin... very easy to do with a PC. After 15 minutes (because of the accelerated cure time from using the PC versus by hand), I removed the product. It came off really easy, and this is what I was left with.

The white marks on the hood are years of stone chips and road abuse... That's what happens on a soon-to-be 9 year old daily driven road warrior!!! We still take care of her though.

 

[rwright]

Looking good! Wait until you see the beading! I haven't had a Ultima product let me down yet. The DP Poli-Coat takes some practice, it's like spreading glue at first. But man does that stuff take a beating!

 

[AeroCleanse]

I love UPGP. I'm going to try Optimum Opti-seal next.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

You guys responded too quick... lol... I was still editing the first post to include the DP poli explanation and pics. Sorry about that.

Looking good! Wait until you see the beading! I haven't had a Ultima product let me down yet. The DP Poli-Coat takes some practice, it's like spreading glue at first. But man does that stuff take a beating!

Yeah, I haven't taken the UPGP-coated Ody out in the rain yet. I didn't want all that hard work to get dirty (albeit protected ) just yet. So what did you mean by the DP Poli comment? It takes some practice in what way? What method of application do you guys use?

I love UPGP. I'm going to try Optimum Opti-seal next.

I am loving UPGP now too. I might post a review on the review section of this forum.

Although Aero, I hate to burst your bubble on Opti-Seal. I bought it and used it before. It is less finicky than UPGP (meaning, more forgiving if over applied, with less streaks), but the gloss is just not there like UPGP or any other good sealant is. In addition, the durability for me was sub par. It survived only a couple of washes before losing significant beading ability. I might just use my barely-used bottle on the Civic's front bumpers, wheels, and windshields/windows.

 

[rwright]

Well I need practice with DP Poli-Coat! I used the yellow foam applicator by hand and it's going to take some time to adjust to. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant is thinner and spreads much easier, so going from that to a thick paste like product will take a little adjustment. I need to try it by machine because after seeing the thread where Matt was testing it on a Jag (I think) he was able to achieve a thin coat.

 

[Jumpingbean]

I've applied DP Poli-Coat by hand and using a DA. It was soo much easier to get a nice thin, even coat with the DA. Effortless. Overall it took maybe half the time to complete as well.

 

[Da Fats]

I've found DP policoat to be rather durable, grant it its on a garage kept truck I am watching and a outside DD car thats got DP policoat topped with coli 915. What kind of duability are others getting out of this ?

 

[CEE DOG]

On the UPGP.. Man, I've been telling people exactly that ever since I tried it. It's all in that application. People want to waste product and make things harder on themselves for some reason. It's great to see others bear witness to this wonderfull product!

Did you say yours came with a foam applicator? Usually they come with mf applicator

Haven't tried the DP but only because I have to many products already waiting for me. From what I hear it's a good one!

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Well I need practice with DP Poli-Coat! I used the yellow foam applicator by hand and it's going to take some time to adjust to. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant is thinner and spreads much easier, so going from that to a thick paste like product will take a little adjustment. I need to try it by machine because after seeing the thread where Matt was testing it on a Jag (I think) he was able to achieve a thin coat.

You're right in the fact that DP is thicker in consistency versus WGDGPS. It wasn't that hard to apply by machine. I always used to do it by hand... I still do some, but I am slowly migrating away from doing it by hand. So much easier to get a thin even coat plus the time I save. I use the DA for liquid LSP's...still have to try it with a paste wax using a putty knife to spread it.

I've applied DP Poli-Coat by hand and using a DA. It was soo much easier to get a nice thin, even coat with the DA. Effortless. Overall it took maybe half the time to complete as well.

Agree 100%... at least for liquid LSP's. I still have to try on pastes.

I've found DP policoat to be rather durable, grant it its on a garage kept truck I am watching and a outside DD car thats got DP policoat topped with coli 915. What kind of duability are others getting out of this ?

Yeah the wife's Civic has it on for a little over a week now, with three rainstorms and 2 washes already. So far, beading is still strong. It does look to be pretty durable. I'm with you though: What are others seeing for durability?

On the UPGP.. Man, I've been telling people exactly that ever since I tried it. It's all in that application. People want to waste product and make things harder on themselves for some reason. It's great to see others bear witness to this wonderfull product!

Did you say yours came with a foam applicator? Usually they come with mf applicator

Haven't tried the DP but only because I have to many products already waiting for me. From what I hear it's a good one!

Thanks CEE... I have YOU (amongst others) to thank for beating the "thin" concept into my brain. It's SO hard to make yourself believe that you are STILL spreading product when it's thin... part of you wants to squirt/spray more. I had to resist the urge

Sorry, I meant the rectangular MF applicator... yes, that is what I use. Not a foam one.

You should try DP. I got it on BOGO a two weeks back!Im the MAN

 

[BobbyG]

The results show how much work went into detailing these; spectacular results! rops:

 

[sportscarhiatus]

The results show how much work went into detailing these; spectacular results! rops:

Thanks Bobby... but yes, the actual maintence/regular washing and application of LSP is easy and takes no time at all. But the hard work comes in the previous surface prep work/correction that I did on these vehicles last year/this year. Once that hard work is done, it's pretty much proper washing and drying and keeping it swirl free.

 

[BobbyG]

Thanks Bobby... but yes, the actual maintence/regular washing and application of LSP is easy and takes no time at all. But the hard work comes in the previous surface prep work/correction that I did on these vehicles last year/this year. Once that hard work is done, it's pretty much proper washing and drying and keeping it swirl free.

I could not agree more!! rops: rops:

I detailed my truck this past weekend an just a few hours, how you ask? By regularly maintaining it that's how!! rops: rops:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/27716-still-looking-good.html#post341789

 

[ScottB]

I have NOT found a wax or sealant that likes to be gooped on or over applied.

I remember at the Ecklers Show a couple years back I was showing a couple guys how to apply Souveran on Capt Max's Vette. When I circled the canister once, applied, and quickly buffed off they were shocked.

The newer WOWA sealants take it to another level indeed. If you are using more than one spritz per panel you are using too much.