Clay bar

toxygene said:
According to the description on AG, KAIO contains no abrasives, but it is supposed to remove old wax. I assume it must do so chemically.

And you really polish your car once per month? Is that a good idea?
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Absolutely once per month ....... nano is the best because it only touches up the surface rather than giving a deep polish. Just enough to remove the finest of scratches.
 
chief said:
Seems to me the clay is the best for the job, what I am afraid of if I don't clay prior to applying new coat of wax in between full detail jobs, I will scratch the paint with contaminants during waxing process.

As long as the surface is clean and the applicator is clean you aren't going to cause any scratches. I always apply wax/sealant in a horizontal direction if by hand. Removing is done vertically. This will lessen the chances of the "fine" scratches you might have when removing a fresh coat of wax.



This will strip the paint sealant correct?
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Yup.

I used to use Klasse AIO for all of my customers "quick" polish type jobs. Brightens the color very well and would remove some of the minor scratches if used with a more aggressive pad.

Be sure anytime that you use ANY cleaner/wax type product that you also add a wax/sealant afterward. A cleaner wax isn't going to give a long lasting protection like a sealant will.
 
I think it is a waste of paint sealant to apply it every month when it can easily last about 4 months. I think Klasse AIO is great for once a season (reapply everything) polish, but not every month polish.

Carnauba wax on the other hand might only last a month in Florida's hot and humid weather. From the looks of it, if I don't prep surface very well with clay bar or something to get the fine particles off, the contaminants will instill scratches in the paint job.

Maybe the Pinnacle fine clay will do the trick.
 
chief said:
I think it is a waste of paint sealant to apply it every month when it can easily last about 4 months. I think Klasse AIO is great for once a season (reapply everything) polish, but not every month polish.

Carnauba wax on the other hand might only last a month in Florida's hot and humid weather. From the looks of it, if I don't prep surface very well with clay bar or something to get the fine particles off, the contaminants will instill scratches in the paint job.

Maybe the Pinnacle fine clay will do the trick.
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You won't need anything more than a fine grade clay.

I probably didn't mention this, but my BMW isn't a DD so a carnauba once or twice a week is what I would give it. Mainly for local meet & shows.

My 4Runner was clayed, buffed and sealed last November ........ is outside more often than inside & beads water as well as the day the sealant was applied.

For the record, most sealants applied on a DD will yield 6 + months of protection ...... not 4. This applies to most vehicles under the same extreme temps etc.

My ride ......... never has seen sealant, but carnauba is a different story.

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Wow looking great!

Do you still carnauba wax your 4runner in between paint sealant jobs or you just wait to reapply the paint sealant? What's a DD?
 
chief said:
Wow looking great!

Do you still carnauba wax your 4runner in between paint sealant jobs or you just wait to reapply the paint sealant? What's a DD?
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Thanks!

DD = daily driver

Just the November application of sealant on the 4Runner ....... nothing but a weekly wash. I figure it'll get another sealant application before too much longer, but right now it just doesn't need anything.
 
chief said:
Seems to me the clay is the best for the job, what I am afraid of if I don't clay prior to applying new coat of wax in between full detail jobs, I will scratch the paint with contaminants during waxing process.
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Valid concern because it's possible that in the process of applying a wax or paint sealant you could loosen a bonded contaminant and trap it between your applicator pad and the paint.


chief said:
This will strip the paint sealant correct?
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Since Klasse AIO is a cleaner/wax, (or a cleaner/sealant for the DO people), it will remove what's on the surfaces but it will leave behind a protective coating.


:)
 
I was kinda shocked the other day when after putting pinnacle LS on a test patch over WGDGPS, I then decided to remove it to redo the whole car. I sprayed the whole hood including the test patch with P21s total auto wash, let it sit a few minutes and then washed with a soapy mitt. On the rinse it was still there beading like crazy! The whole hood was stripped but not the PLS. The WGDG was 3 months old and so came off, but I had to spray and scrub with a damp micro two more times to remove the Souveran.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Since Klasse AIO is a cleaner/wax, (or a cleaner/sealant for the DO people), it will remove what's on the surfaces but it will leave behind a protective coating.


:)
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I was just thinking about that and figured that if that's all the paint cleaner someone has they could use it and then do a dawn wash to strip it and reveal nice clean bare paint to start waxing on.
 
you mentioned earlier the clay bar was all yellow? Do you live in an area where there is a lot of pollen? Lots of times are cars end up with basically a yellow film on them, due to the pollen....or whatever it is in the air.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek;365946 Since Klasse AIO is a cleaner/wax said:
leave behind a protective coating.[/B]


:)
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That protective coating left behind is so minimal that I would never leave it to protect on its own ......... no way.
 
Klasse AIO

Shade Tree said:
No worries .......

Yes, Klasse AIO is a cleaner/prewax and contains mild abrasives and woulld remove any protection the paint currently has.

The products you mention may be used over the carnauba, however with each application the carnauba will begin to weaken. These QD products are meant as a temporary cleaner/gloss enhancer and have very little protection qualities. In other words, after a wash ...... go for it. Otherwise, apply a carnauba once a month to keep things fresh.

I typically wax my BMW 2-3 times per week & polish once per month ...... OCD sucks. :props:
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ok, now I'm confused:

All-In-One contains no abrasives or silicones, and does not stain plastic, vinyl or rubber trim. It can be used on any non-porous surface, and in addition to car care it is also approved for marine and aviation use.

First introduced in 1979, Klasse All In One Polish changed everything about the way people polished cars. Klasse All In One Polish will remove oxidation, minor swirls, old wax, and other surface blemishes; leaving a beautiful and deep acrylic shine. Unlike some formulas, Klasse will not penetrate or change paint.
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the product literature states that it contains no abrasives and leaves an acrylic shine (protection?).

did you mean that it acts as a cleaner? could you clarify what you meant?

-Ron
 
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themadhatter said:
ok, now I'm confused:



the product literature states that it contains no abrasives and leaves an acrylic shine (protection?).

did you mean that it acts as a cleaner? could you clarify what you meant?

-Ron
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Ok, my experience when using Klasse AIO is that it will remove oxidation, light swirls & blemishes if used with the proper pad for increased cleaning. The acrylic shine in simple terms means that the paint is going to be clean & shiny, period. Just fancy verbiage from Klasse.

It definitely is a cleaner and IMHO is less than a finishing polish. It will remove old wax/sealant and will NOT induce any swirls within the finish. Klasse also offers & recommends Klasse Sealant Glaze be used over the AIO as a finishing product. These 2 applied properly work extremely well and produce beautiful depth & gloss to any color.

In the past, I have polished cars as a one step using the Klasse AIO & not applying anything else afterward only to find that the Klasse AIO left a very minimal amount of protection that lasted for about the same amount of time as an average carnauba might. The Klasse Sealant Glaze would be a wise purchase to use with the AIO if you decide to go this route.

Bottom line ....... if you're going to use ANY type of AIO; you will normally find that the manufacturer will recommend a sealant (of course recommending their own brand) be used as a finishing polish, wax or sealant.
 
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Shade Tree said:
Ok, my experience when using Klasse AIO is that it will remove oxidation, light swirls & blemishes if used with the proper pad for increased cleaning. The acrylic shine in simple terms means that the paint is going to be clean & shiny, period. Just fancy verbiage from Klasse.

It definitely is a cleaner and IMHO is less than a finishing polish. It will remove old wax/sealant and will NOT induce any swirls within the finish. Klasse also offers & recommends Klasse Sealant Glaze be used over the AIO as a finishing product. These 2 applied properly work extremely well and produce beautiful depth & gloss to any color.

In the past, I have polished cars as a one step using the Klasse AIO & not applying anything else afterward only to find that the Klasse AIO left a very minimal amount of protection that lasted for about the same amount of time as an average carnauba might. The Klasse Sealant Glaze would be a wise purchase to use with the AIO if you decide to go this route.

Bottom line ....... if you're going to use ANY type of AIO; you will normally find that the manufacturer will recommend a sealant (of course recommending their own brand) be used as a finishing polish, wax or sealant.
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thanks for the very informative feedback. :dblthumb2:
 
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Shade Tree said:
Ok, my experience when using Klasse AIO is that it will remove oxidation, light swirls & blemishes if used with the proper pad for increased cleaning. The acrylic shine in simple terms means that the paint is going to be clean & shiny, period. Just fancy verbiage from Klasse.

It definitely is a cleaner and IMHO is less than a finishing polish. It will remove old wax/sealant and will NOT induce any swirls within the finish. Klasse also offers & recommends Klasse Sealant Glaze be used over the AIO as a finishing product. These 2 applied properly work extremely well and produce beautiful depth & gloss to any color.

In the past, I have polished cars as a one step using the Klasse AIO & not applying anything else afterward only to find that the Klasse AIO left a very minimal amount of protection that lasted for about the same amount of time as an average carnauba might. The Klasse Sealant Glaze would be a wise purchase to use with the AIO if you decide to go this route.

Bottom line ....... if you're going to use ANY type of AIO; you will normally find that the manufacturer will recommend a sealant (of course recommending their own brand) be used as a finishing polish, wax or sealant.
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Change the Surface, Keep the Paint. After the easy application, you will instantly see a brighter tone to your cars surface. You will see that shine for six months or longer, as you only need to use this polish, on average, twice a year. The clarity and depth is of the same quality as carnauba wax, but has longer lasting results. The uniform gloss is prismatic and stunning, and will put your car in a “class” of its own.

Repels Water. Klasse All in One Polish will bead water which limits spot damage. You’ll be smiling knowing you won’t need to worry about rain showers for six months.
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Based on what you're saying, they grossly overstate the protection that KAIO leaves behind. I don't have enough experience with it to know one way or the other, but six months is quite a claim.

The description for KSG reads about the same:

Use Klasse High Gloss Sealant to achieve optimum results, including that deep mirror shine that reflects beautifully with diamond-like facets for a minimum of six months. Many people who use this sealant report that they only have to put a new coat on every 12 months. Some people re-gloss every 6 months or so.
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toxygene said:
Based on what you're saying, they grossly overstate the protection that KAIO leaves behind. I don't have enough experience with it to know one way or the other, but six months is quite a claim.

The description for KSG reads about the same:
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I have used the product over the better part of 5-6 years and never have I seen just the polish alone leave any worthy type of protection. Coupled with the sealant is a whole other story though.

Go with your gut feeling on these things and more times than not you'll be glad you did ......
 
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