Questioning Peoples Expertise?!?!!?

93fox said:
TOTALLY agree with you, some people were just backing up and defending the words jason rose had said. to be honest with you, i love trying new things, so even if you, mike philips, jason rose or anyone else says this will cause this and that. guess what? im gonna go out and try it to see for myself. im just like that, i will try things and if the outcomes are bad like everyone else stated then ill know from MY experience why it was bad or what caused the problem. that's just how i am! :awesome:
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Nothing wrong with that... I totally realize that some people have a deep seeded need to learn things the hard way through trial and error; I used to be like that too. Trust me, you'll grow out of it as you get older and continue to mature. :props:
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Nothing wrong with that... I totally realize that some people have a deep seeded need to learn things the hard way through trial and error; I used to be like that too. Trust me, you'll grow out of it as you get older and continue to mature. :props:
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LMAO!!!


You both are awesome!!!!!
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Nothing wrong with that... I totally realize that some people have a deep seeded need to learn things the hard way through trial and error; I used to be like that too. Trust me, you'll grow out of it as you get older and continue to mature. :props:
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to be dead honest with you, i am like this since i know that if i mess something up i can fix it myself instead. meaning, if i see that the paint swelled, ill just sanded down and repaint it! im obviously not going to look at it like this in this direction towards every car i do, that's why i try things and see if it works or not, and if it doesn't, im not going to continue doing it.
 
93fox said:
to be dead honest with you, i am like this since i know that if i mess something up i can fix it myself instead. meaning, if i see that the paint swelled, ill just sanded down and repaint it! im obviously not going to look at it like this in this direction towards every car i do, that's why i try things and see if it works or not, and if it doesn't, im not going to continue doing it.
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Yet the point you still seem to be missing is that just because something works once or twice or on one or two cars, doesn't mean it will work every time on every car. :dblthumb2:

Either way, I'm bowing out of this; just not worth debating with someone who isn't listening.
 
i think we will all be fine unless we start washing cars and trucks with hair shampoo:props:
 
john b said:
i think we will all be fine unless we start washing cars and trucks with hair shampoo:props:
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Alright man - you have written 2 very odd comments on this thread - maybe you should be more serious if you want to be taken seriously?!?!!??
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Yet the point you still seem to be missing is that just because something works once or twice or on one or two cars, doesn't mean it will work every time on every car. :dblthumb2:

Either way, I'm bowing out of this; just not worth debating with someone who isn't listening.
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Well sir i will continue to use this method until i come across a problem. and i understand your point and i sure do acknowledge that maybe one day it will cause a problem. and when it does i will show everyone here the problem of using baby oil. you say, "doesn't mean it will work every time on every car" but you don't know that. neither do i. but so far, everything has worked well for me! im just not going to agree with everything you say and i dont expect you to agree with me.
 
It's a good practice to add IMO/IME if you truly have experienced a situation in a detail/correction. One has to be conscious that every word that is posted hundreds are reading/agreeing/disagreeing/dissecting what's being communicated. There's a lot a good members here and I believe all of them have good intentions, but like saying goes "Good intentions Bad judgement"....
 
I think you guys that consider yourselves experts have to realize that what works for you, doesn't make it gospel. Every car, every paint is different even coming off the same assembly line. Then throw weather conditions into the mix (what works in Florida or California doesn't mean a whole lot up here in the north), and you have the reality that things said on here that perhaps worked for you...is not necessarily going to work for me, and I find that true more times than not.

I have boxes of products that I bought because of recommendations I've read, only to find that on my car, or in my location under the conditions I drive...they are just not as great as I was led to believe. Chemicals react differently to weather and paint type...so frankly, if you guys really want to express expert opinions on products or techniques...then do what "Corey" does when he reviews products.....put in your post all the conditions that are relevant to the situation...temperature, humidity, type of paint, technique, etc. Were manufacturer's recommendations followed, or are you doing your own experiment?

Many "experts" don't go into detail like this, so I take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt no matter how long you've been detailing cars, and I especially see red flags when I know that something in sunny Florida may not last very long in NY state (case in point...sealants).

The new Optimum Opti-Coat 2 is all the rage on many car forums these days. Let me tell you...no matter how "easy to apply" and how "great" this product is on paper...I always ask myself BEFORE I'm going to apply something PERMANENT to my paint....what conditions do I have to duplicate to get the result I want?

I will always do my own test regardless of who is writing the article because variables cannot be duplicated across the Internet, and because we are talking primarily about chemicals...if you know anything about chemistry...chemicals are not going to react the same when the variables change.

Finally, I don't mind guys posting that are not experts because if something is said that is way off base, it will be pointed out, and people will be educated in the process, and a dialogue/debate will ensue. Yes, its always great to have expert opinions, but they are just that...opinions, and we all must remember that because no two situations are alike, and how boring a world it would be if just the experts posted threads or answered them.
 
This is a great thread topic, however it definitely seems to be a topic that could get out of hand quickly.

Everyone makes some great points here. I always try to ensure that the advice I give is either from my experience or I ensure I state other wise. The coating thread is a perfect example. I sat through the class and learned a good amount about the product. However, I ensured to mention that I've never tried the product, so I don't have first hand experience. I was just offering the advice/info that was given to us in the class.

As for the baby oil trick, I have to admit that I do use this and I see Shiny's point as far as using a product outside of the manufacturer's recommendations. Which you take the risk whenever you do this. I have actually changed to Megs UC, since I do not need to mess with the formula to get it to work the way I want it.

I may still use the baby oil trick from time to time when I use 105. However, if I do it's my personal preference. And if the time comes that I run into an issue it falls on me for not following the directions and messing with a formula. Which I honestly try to stay away from.

It honestly seems as though there are more and more threads getting out of hand on here lately, which I'm trying to not even be part of. Sometimes it's best not saying anything at all.

Overall good advice here B&B!
 
I agree.
Something else to note-read the whole post/reply before answering a question. Speeding reading by reading only key words and assuming what someone is asking because it seems like it is a common question can still leave out vital info.
For instance, I didn't read the "whole" question in a post the other day and I told the guy to polish flat matte paint. I read through quickly by looking at key words and phrases like " polish like you would a clear coat", "black" and "single stage". I assumed it was just another question asking if you polish single stage paint like you would clear coated. I was wrong and if the guy would have taken my advice and if the others would not have corrected me, the guy would have really screwed up his ride.

One other thing. I also think everyone needs to "think" before they speak especially when making a negative reply to a guy who runs a detailing business. In a way this is advertising for them and a stupid/not relevant/wrong remark could potentially cost them a client. They have more at stake than most and sometimes, one negative comment is all that is needed for a client who is "on the fence" to go elsewhere.
 
I think there will always be those who give advice without actually trying it or using it but if anyone blindly follows advice thrown out here without verifying it or atleast looking into it a little bit then they are just a bad consumer.

Untill you know the person and know that their advice is sound you should proceed with caution, and even if you know that they are experienced you need to proceed with caution because your own techniqe might be different or humidity might be different or the moon is at a certain point in the sky that causes all detailing products to act up.

I have a few people on here that I listen to and trust whole heartedly like Corey, Mark, Asphault (When he was here), etc., etc. but even then I have to evaluate the advice given and analyze it to see if it is something I want to try or not.

To sum it up I dont care if someone repeats what they heard or gives advice without actually knowing if it really works because I analyze the info/advice and look into it more and make my own decision. Im not being cynical just a smart consumer/detailer IMO
 
B&B Tennessee said:
I played a game in KINDERGARTEN - where our class lined up..... one person told a secret in the others ear : by the time it got through 20 kid's ears, the secret was COMPLETELY different from the original..... this will happen here as well..... if it hasn't happened a thousand times already. A slight tweak each thread after 20 threads is a huge misconception from the original thread.
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HAHA, I remember this! Ours ended with Rattlesnake poop!!:xyxthumbs:
 
Great thread. I also get a kick and erked at the same time when people give advice that is not even close to correct or accurate. Some even try coming across like they know what they're talking about yet still have no clue. Way too many people get their info and "experience" from forums and think it's right because someone posted it and people didn't question it. When I post something I'm willing to debate my stance until I'm shown otherwise. Others seem to post to build thier post count.
 
93fox said:
the things got so out of hand on the thread i started stating my experience with baby oil that it even got closed. everyone was saying that it would cause the paint to swell, even Jason Rose from meguiars had said it. but i went on it and did and so far, after nearly 2 months, there has been no paint swelling. Im waiting for a good shiny day to take pictures and post it here to show there was no paint swelling. Ive used it on two cars so far and no paint swelling. but apparently those who hadn't even tried it were just so sure of what they were saying. :argue:
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They said it COULD happen, not that it WOULD happen on every single paint system.


I think the OP should listen to his own advice in this thread, especially with the drywash topic. It's something that works for you but not everyone else. To tell someone to just go out to their filthy car and wipe it down with a spray bottle and towels is not the best advice IMO.

What it comes down to is people find their own ways of doing things that work for them. If you watched me detail and then someone else with the same experience, tools, and products detail I can assure you we would do things quite differently but still get very similar results. I think people should make it known whether they are stating their opinion or their experience, but other than that it's fine.

Really no need for a thread like this IMO. It is basically say "I know everything, and a lot of you people are wrong." Sorry buddy, but that just isn't the case.
 
I think the bottom line is simple. People come here for advice. If you give that advice, esp. if you are a professional, that advice should be based on your experience with the question asked. Not on something you read somewhere or saw somebody else do. Otherwise it's just a theory and theorys can damage a car. If you tried something and it worked, or didn't, tell us about it, that's important information.:coolgleam:
 
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