New to Detailing-Is My Plan of Attack a Good One?

HeavyMetal said:
He didn't forget it. It's a totally unnecessary step, particularly when staying within a given product line.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Staying within a product line does not magically make sealants or waxes bond to oil.
 
Dubbin1 said:
You couldn't be more wrong. Staying within a product line does not magically make sealants or waxes bond to oil.
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Actually it is you who could not be more wrong. Mike P has noted in several articles that removing the polishing oils is totally unnecessary as the chemists formulate the products to be compatible. Perhaps you should read up before you post.
 
HeavyMetal said:
Actually it is you who could not be more wrong. Mike P has noted in several articles that removing the polishing oils is totally unnecessary as the chemists formulate the products to be compatible. Perhaps you should read up before you post.
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I really don't care what Mike has wrote in his articles, no wax or sealant in the world is going to bond to oil.

Now that I think about it Mike even talked about doing IPA wipe downs in one of his classes before applying an LSP...

Perhaps you are the one that needs to do a bit more reading before telling someone they are wrong.
 
I've read posts from Mike several times saying that he recommends ipa on your test spot to make sure you're getting the results you want, but that you don't have to do it on the whole car if you trust your technique.
 
Kaleb G. said:
I've read posts from Mike several times saying that he recommends ipa on your test spot to make sure you're getting the results you want, but that you don't have to do it on the whole car if you trust your technique.
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That's correct.

Assuming the entire car is painted with the same paint then theoretically the results you see at your Test Spot will be the results you achieve over the rest of the car assuming you accurately duplicate the same procedure over the rest of the car.

The problem with wiping perfectly polished paint down with IPA or MS or some other pre-wax paint prep is that you need to do it very carefully so you don't mar the paint in the process.

I do all my testing on black paint and I know this can be a problem. Now if you're working on light colors like beige or silver metallic, it can be very hard to see the marring if it occurs.

I think Dwayne aka Dubbin1's point was that he's endorsing or teaching that in order for an wax or paint sealant or coating to stick to the paint you must remove all the polishing oils, (if any), before application.

Just to note, my articles do state to give the directions and recommendations provided by the manufacture of the wax, paint sealant or coating first priority when it comes to application.

My articles being referenced here are for anyone to read and hopefully find at least some information in them that will help them make up their mind on how to proceed and at the end of the day reach the success their striving for with their detailing project.

Here they are,

Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding

How to Mix IPA for Inspecting Correction Results

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From this article, the second section reads...

Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding


Mike Phillips said:
Follow the Manufacturer's Recommendations
The first and primary consideration goes to the manufactures recommendations. If the manufacturer of a wax or paint sealant officially recommends that the surface of the paint must be stripped clean before their product can properly bond to the paint, then you should follow the recommendations of the manufacturer as they know their products best.
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For anyone that wants to continue discussing the procedure of IPA wiping... please start your own thread.


Let the OP of this thread not have it turn into a off-topic discussion. It's a great discussion, but please start your own thread and if you like you can even link to it in a post here.

Thank you ahead of time.

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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
From this article, the second section reads...

Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding





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Sure you can follow what they say but on another point common sense says that their wax/sealant will not bond to an oil covered surface. The last thing manufactures want to do is add a step to their directions to make the product harder to use and less likely for someone to purchase it ;)

A simple IPA wipe down or dawn wash will quickly remove the leftover oils and allow for proper bonding.
 
Dubbin1 said:
Sure you can follow what they say but on another point common sense says that their wax/sealant will not bond to an oil covered surface. The last thing manufactures want to do is add a step to their directions to make the product harder to use and less likely for someone to purchase it ;)

A simple IPA wipe down or dawn wash will quickly remove the leftover oils and allow for proper bonding.
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Or maybe they don't list steps that aren't necessary to use their products. I feel like if an IPA wipedown was critical to their product, they would probably list it as a necessary step. That's just common sense to me, though.
 
Kaleb G. said:
Or maybe they don't list steps that aren't necessary to use their products. I feel like if an IPA wipedown was critical to their product, they would probably list it as a necessary step. That's just common sense to me, though.
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You have to remember that they are not making the instructions for people that are polishing their cars. They are making them for the average Joe that's out in the driveway putting too much wax on the car in the sun.

Common sense tells me that you need to remove these oils before applying their product. I just don't know why it is so hard for people to understand this, it is a WELL known practice done by top detailers all around the world.

I find it funny that I have 2 people that are new to this hobby/business telling me how wrong I am...
 
I wipe down with IPA or rinse with OPT Power Clean ALWAYS before I wax or seal. I figure it's better to be safe than sorry...just my.02
 
Dubbin1 said:
You have to remember that they are not making the instructions for people that are polishing their cars. They are making them for the average Joe that's out in the driveway putting too much wax on the car in the sun.

Common sense tells me that you need to remove these oils before applying their product. I just don't know why it is so hard for people to understand this, it is a WELL known practice done by top detailers all around the world.

I find it funny that I have 2 people that are new to this hobby/business telling me how wrong I am...
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Nvm. Not worth the time. Please remember I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are, especially considering that my opinions are based on my personal experiences.
 
Kaleb G. said:
Or maybe they don't list steps that aren't necessary to use their products. I feel like if an IPA wipedown was critical to their product, they would probably list it as a necessary step. That's just common sense to me, though.
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So does this mean that Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 has cleaners in it to remove polishing oils? Or does it mean that WGDGPS will lift the oils and settle below them on the paint and be removed when you wipe away the sealant residue? Or do the polishing oils in the swirl removers aide in sealant bonding? Feed back please
 
rwright said:
So does this mean that Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 has cleaners in it to remove polishing oils? Or does it mean that WGDGPS will lift the oils and settle below them on the paint and be removed when you wipe away the sealant residue? Or do the polishing oils in the swirl removers aide in sealant bonding? Feed back please
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That's a great question for someone that uses those products or a chemist. Unfortunately, I'm neither.

I can tell you that I'm more than happy with the results I get, as are my customers.
 
Referee stepping in.

Please keep the thread on topic. If you aren't posting to help the original poster, Sonny D, please move on.

Thanks
 
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