Glazes under sealant/wax - day 1

[rwright]

Tim thanks a ton for doing the wash, it pretty much proved my point that a glaze can not be "sealed" in. IMO the darkness that is left over on the PB is probably from the natty's blue and not the glaze.

BTW nice job on the engine :dblthumb2:

Just think of those people who "clean" paint with CG EZ-Creme Glaze then apply a sealant over top :laughing:.

 

[sensi09]

I'm sure if there were depressions left after the glazing, then the lsps would have filled them too. I did take pics of the glazes after application but deleted them b/c the pics were adding up and I figured noone would just leave glazes with no toppers anyway. That said, there is a pic in the initial post where I broke open the haze on the CGBL at the bottom right of the treated panel. The CGBL I've actually used as a standalone lsp for a while since it has gloss enhancers. Might have even muted the shine a bit by topping with KSG...

Thanks for all the positive feedback. It really was informative for me too. I learned that there is only so much that a glaze can do for really bad swirling. And I have a renewed appreciation for the swirl free finish on lexybaby (just named her that in case Corey is reading).

What type of durability are you getting with the blacklight as a standalone?

And yes nice test :xyxthumbs:

 

[embolism]

I only had it on for 3 weeks then I polished the car. I put it back on afterwards b/c I liked the gloss but then I topped it with maxwax the next day.

once this @#$ postal strike is over and my fuzion gets here, it's going on next... haha

it's a sickness

 

[LegacyGT]

After the obligatory rolling of the eyes...

The longer you hang out here, the more frequent that will become


Nice job with the post and followup. I feel like the flash picks up a lot more of the defects than the sun shots both on day 1 and after the wash. If you get some sun sometime soon I would be interested in seeing some sun shots to compare with the day 1 pictures.

Thanks for taking the time to put this experience together rops:

 

[embolism]

Tim thanks a ton for doing the wash, it pretty much proved my point that a glaze can not be "sealed" in. IMO the darkness that is left over on the PB is probably from the natty's blue and not the glaze.

BTW nice job on the engine :dblthumb2:

np. I didn't want to believe it but yeah, the glazing didn't really hold up too well to the wash. Maybe if I babied it or did an ONR wash...

since the glaze is under the natty's blue, how can one be gone without the other being gone as well? Do you think both are gone maybe (b/c the wax stuck to the glaze and the glaze gave up its bond to the paint) and it's just the feeder oils that have coloured the lsp starved paint? Is beading the only sign that there is still NB there?

 

[Trevor]

np. I didn't want to believe it but yeah, the glazing didn't really hold up too well to the wash. Maybe if I babied it or did an ONR wash...

since the glaze is under the natty's blue, how can one be gone without the other being gone as well? Do you think both are gone maybe (b/c the wax stuck to the glaze and the glaze gave up its bond to the paint) and it's just the feeder oils that have coloured the lsp starved paint? Is beading the only sign that there is still NB there?

This is my question too. How do we say the glaze is gone on the right side, but the natty blue remains? Did the wax jump up, let the glaze slide out, and then fall back down?

One thing is conclusive, the products you pair together matters a lot.


Cool test. Now I'm thinking about doing something similar with products I have to see how it matches up.

 

[Dubbin1]

People need to stop thinking that this stuff lays on top of the other product. The wax/sealant is going to mix in with whatever you already put down on the paint. There really is no such thing as layering these products

 

[Flannigan]

People need to stop thinking that this stuff lays on top of the other product. The wax/sealant is going to mix in with whatever you already put down on the paint. There really is no such thing as layering these products

:iagree:
Glazes are great tools to use if you are putting a car in a show to give it that extra look, or if you want to do a quick coverup job to get a car sold. They are not meant to last more than a couple of rains or a couple of washes.

 

[andym]

People need to stop thinking that this stuff lays on top of the other product. The wax/sealant is going to mix in with whatever you already put down on the paint. There really is no such thing as layering these products

I have to agree with Dubbin1. After all you can only have so much substrate to bind to. Whats going to bind first? Obviously what you put on first. Then you have to take in consideration what competes for the substrate (paint), and what displaces something else! Are there different substrates in the paint that bind different products?? Has anybody tried sealant/wax then polish?? Theoreticaly it should work, cause polish just intensifies the paint, right? To my limited understanding, cause IM not a pro at this, the only thing that should bind to the paint is sealants and wax. Now if the rst of the stuff binds on the sealant and wax, well thats another story! Any chemists in the forum that could shed some light?
:xyxthumbs:

 

[embolism]

andy, even a fine polish has abrasives in it which will take off your wax and sealant and leave behind it's own carrier oils. These oils however offer nothing in terms of durability or clearcoat protection.

 

[embolism]

ok so the glaze wasn't that big a success so I just did the entire car over 2 nights with power finish on orange LC flats as a one step

Here's the trunk lid 50/50 again

Still some RIDS but it's honestly 85% better than it was. I didn't even know the car had metallic paint until I was halfway through the first panel cause the swirls were so bad and the lighting in the garage wasn't the greatest haha.

Just finished putting on a coat of 845.

whew i'm bushed

 

[Lasthope05]

In my testing, I've found that even an oily glaze(M03/M07) underneath a sealant( NXT 2.0, WG DGPS 3.0, UPGP, UPP and DG 105) does not effect its durability for up to two months, as thats when I stopped the experiment. So I dont really believe oily glazes are only for waxes but its more of finding the right combination that work well together to achieve the looks your going for.