Does opti-coat protect against swirls & chips?

Hey Chris,

My biggest concern with Opti-coat is the need to completely remove the coating if I need to fix a section. God knows that my cars are constantly pelted with SoCal freeway debris. Not a big issue with waxes or sealants for a buck or two but I would love some true body armour. Do I misunderstand the issue?

While we do recommend recoating an entire section instead of spot repairs, you don't have to remove coating. You just need to go over it with a polish to "scuff" it so that the second layer will stick.
 
While we do recommend recoating an entire section instead of spot repairs, you don't have to remove coating. You just need to go over it with a polish to "scuff" it so that the second layer will stick.

This is the same recommendation with any coating as it allow the new payer to mechanically bond to the under layer...
 
While we do recommend recoating an entire section instead of spot repairs, you don't have to remove coating. You just need to go over it with a polish to "scuff" it so that the second layer will stick.

Optimum polish or finish ok to "scuff" the section?

How long will the syringe of OC 2.0 last once it's opened if I need to "fix" a section or panel?
 
Optimum polish or finish ok to "scuff" the section?

How long will the syringe of OC 2.0 last once it's opened if I need to "fix" a section or panel?

Either should be fine, but if using Finish do at least 2 passes.

As long as you replace the black cap to keep our moisture it is very stable. Opening it is not a countdown unless you leave it exposed...that's the reason we use a syringe instead of a bottle.
 
Either should be fine, but if using Finish do at least 2 passes.

As long as you replace the black cap to keep our moisture it is very stable. Opening it is not a countdown unless you leave it exposed...that's the reason we use a syringe instead of a bottle.

Thanks Chris. Even though OC is a permanent coating, my cars are always getting pelted by flying garbage from the LA freeways. I've been hit by plywood, cardboard boxes, truck tire pieces, rocks, and pieces of metal over the years that got kicked up from cars in other lanes. Sadly, it's normally the week after I fixed the last one.
 
This is the same recommendation with any coating as it allow the new payer to mechanically bond to the under layer...

BobbyG...I did not know this!
Perhaps you can advise otherwise, or clarify my following thoughts on how coatings bond. :)


-As you probably know, I am not a chemist (nor want to be), but I find myself doing a lot of research/questioning about things chemical. As such:

-I realize that a mechanical bond, used in this sense, is just another type of chemical bond. Also, it's a fairly 'new term' (since the 1980's) that's now being more and more associated with "bottom-up" true nanotechnology (less than 100nm).

-I know there has been great strides in new technologies, but I don't know whether this type of mechanical-bonding applies to any current car care products or not.

-I was under the understanding that the new coatings, maybe even Opti-Coatings, were of/by chemical-bonding such as: co-valent, hydrogen, or ionic, etc.
-I'm sure Chris can state which one is applicable to the Opti-Coatings.

But, who knows. It may really take the 'new' mechanical-bonding in order for additional Opti-Coatings' film layers to form a bond with each other. Then some of my concerns above could be moot.

Nothing personal BobbyG....seeing mechanical-bonding just got the wheels aturning...that's all. :)

Thanks for any input you, or others, may have in regards to this matter.

Bob
 
OC forms a covalent bond 20x stronger than the hydrogen bonds sealants/waxes form.


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OC forms a covalent bond 20x stronger than the hydrogen bonds sealants/waxes form.


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Thank you Chris.

That's what I thought....I'm sure you had answered this 'what kind of bonding' question for me a while ago.

Thanks again. :)

Bob
 
Bob, as far as I know the nano coatings don't recomend polishing before applying another coat. I've only used OC and CQ. OC says you must polish / rough the surface in order to apply a second coat while CQ recomends a second coat as part of the standard application and no polishing is needed to apply the second coat.
 
Bob, as far as I know the nano coatings don't recomend polishing before applying another coat. I've only used OC and CQ. OC says you must polish / rough the surface in order to apply a second coat while CQ recomends a second coat as part of the standard application and no polishing is needed to apply the second coat.

Corey....Thanks for the: to polishing/not to polish tips.

Also....I was under the impression that Opti-Coatings were made of pre-polymer resins that cross-linked...not a nano-coating. That impression could be wrong, though.

Don't really yet know about CQuartz being a nano-coating or not.

In fact, at this time I don't know of any car care products that employ "bottom-up" nano-technology (less than 100nm). But, the other school of thought..."top-down" nano-technology might apply.

It's a dilemma, I tell ya! :)

Bob
 
OC is not nano tech. I have been trying to make that distinction since it's release.
 
OC is not nano tech. I have been trying to make that distinction since it's release.

Chris: Thanks for your reply in this matter. It's much appreciated!

Even with being as mule-headed as I am, at least some of your (Optimum Polymer Technologies) information is beginning to sink in. IMO, you guys do have some really good products.

Being candid, as has been demonstrated by Dr. G, as well as yourself, is a virtue that's always welcome in my book...

:)

Bob
 
Chris: Thanks for your reply in this matter. It's much appreciated!

Even with being as mule-headed as I am, at least some of your (Optimum Polymer Technologies) information is beginning to sink in. IMO, you guys do have some really good products.

Being candid, as has been demonstrated by Dr. G, as well as yourself, is a virtue that's always welcome in my book...

:)

Bob

Thanks, Bob...I really don't know how else to be. :xyxthumbs:
 
Corey....Thanks for the: to polishing/not to polish tips.

Also....I was under the impression that Opti-Coatings were made of pre-polymer resins that cross-linked...not a nano-coating. That impression could be wrong, though.

Don't really yet know about CQuartz being a nano-coating or not.

In fact, at this time I don't know of any car care products that employ "bottom-up" nano-technology (less than 100nm). But, the other school of thought..."top-down" nano-technology might apply.

It's a dilemma, I tell ya! :)

Bob


Bob, I think you misunderstood me. I am always teling people these coatings are completely and entirely different. What I was saying is OC (NOT a nano product) does require polishing to layer. While the nano coatings (CQ in particular) do not require polishing and recommend 2 coats.

Coatings - Side by side:

Composition/Technology:

Opti-Coat – Ceramic-Silicon Carbide clear resin coating

CQuartz- Ceramic Nano-tech
 
Bob, I think you misunderstood me. I am always teling people these coatings are completely and entirely different. What I was saying is OC (NOT a nano product) does require polishing to layer. While the nano coatings (CQ in particular) do not require polishing and recommend 2 coats.

Yes, I agree, that there might have been a misunderstanding, on my part, when I was reading your post #29 in this thread where in part it said.........

"Bob, as far as I know the nano coatings don't recomend polishing before applying another coat. I've only used OC and CQ".

....and I didn't see the distinction that you have now made clear in your above post. :)
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But, in regards to a ceramic nano-coating I ask myself, and, I believe a good place to start is:

-1. How does one define nanotechnology?

a.) Is it: From 100nm down to .2nm(about the nominal atom size= at the atomic level)

b.) Can it also include molecular and macromoleclur sizes (more than 100nm to other microscopic levels)

c.) For the materials science field of study, does this include: nano-materials, nano-composites, nano-particles, carbon nano-tubes, nano-hybrids.

-2.What kind of compounds are ceramics made from?

-3. What type of the listed in section 1.c.) above "nano-items" is used in making ceramic nano-coatings

-4. Is the resulting ceramic-matrix nano-coating a 'less than 100nm nano-ceramic-coating', or 'called' a ceramic-matrix nano-coating from having used one or more of the nano-items listed in section 1.c.) above.
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I haven't yet completely jumped on the "new buzz-word" 'nano-any-stuff' bandwagon, as it applies to car care products, that is.

For all it's worth....Nanotechnologies are not new. They've been used in producing computer micro-chips for 20 or more years. In fact, Chemists have been making polymers, that are basically large molecules composed of nano-sized complexes, for decades.
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A question that comes to me now:

Why doesn't each and every manufacturer/blender of car care products that contain in their formulations at the very least some....POLYMERS.... proclaim through world-wide marketing that their car care products are indeed of the 'Nanotechnology persuasion' ? Instead, it seems, that proclamation is being used by only a handful of manufacturers/blenders.

That answer might be very interesting, IMO.
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@ OP:

Enough of my hi-jack of your thread...the above should/could be pertinent, but discussed in another thread. That is, unless you and others feel otherwise :)

Bob
 
I understand that OptiCoat isn't a nanotech product while the CQuartz stuff is.
What are the pros and cons of each product?

Regards,
Jim
 
I understand that OptiCoat isn't a nanotech product while the CQuartz stuff is.
What are the pros and cons of each product?

Regards,
Jim

Opti Coat is permanent, so once you have your car OCed, that is it. No more details on it except regular washes.

The nano coatings are gone in about 2 years.

Meaning they wear away just like traditional sealants/waxes, but at a much slower pace of course.

It is always up to the individual - for me it is Opti Coat.

Here is OCP after 1 year - same result as the very first time I washed it. Because OC is very hard, it isn't as prone to swirls as regular clear. Still swirl free.

[video=youtube_share;X0I5tutr3N0"]Opti Coat after ONE YEAR - YouTube[/video]
 
To continue on this theme, how would OC rate in terms of gloss. I am much more interested in show car shine than durability - meaning once a year to polish off the old OC or other coating vs something permanent that may be not as reflective. Generally, isn't it the case that you can't have both and if so, where does OC Gloss (the consumer product) rate - higher in gloss or durability?

Any comments/replies appreciated.
 
I understand that OptiCoat isn't a nanotech product while the CQuartz stuff is.
What are the pros and cons of each product?

Regards,
Jim

another pro for Opti-Coat is that it is made by a known polymer chemist in the USA who has a history of creating clear coat technology for paint companies. and, since he's in the US, you have easy access to the actual guy who makes it when you have technical questions.

OPT has industry standard testing performed for Opti-Coat, the same sort of testing that industrial coating manufacturers perform for powdercoating, paints, etc. there also have been independent tests done by labs contracted by authorized OPT distributors and these tests demonstrate the performance metrics.

On the plus side for CQ, you have a massive amount of subjective feedback available to comb through since it's very popular with pros and hobbyists alike. CQUK in particular is massively popular. and there are many installers who work with BOTH brands and do not seem to have any real political agendas. those guys in particular can be valuable field feedback sources.
 
To continue on this theme, how would OC rate in terms of gloss. I am much more interested in show car shine than durability - meaning once a year to polish off the old OC or other coating vs something permanent that may be not as reflective. Generally, isn't it the case that you can't have both and if so, where does OC Gloss (the consumer product) rate - higher in gloss or durability?

Any comments/replies appreciated.

Gloss coat is like the other coatings, so more gloss than OC. As far as what has more gloss? Who knows? They are all super glossy, although some have more of a candy apply look, I personally like more depth.

Then of course, there is OCP+ which will match the gloss while still permanent.

If you are going to remove a coating after a year, why not purchase a few offerings and do a side by side test?

In any case, Prep is key, no matter what coating you use.

OCP+ - not sure how I could get any more gloss out of this paint.

_5240016-HDR by Thomas Dekany, on Flickr
 
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