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The other day I used ONR for the 1st time to wash both of my daily drivers in my heated garage. I thought everything was going well, I washed and dried a panel at a time but after I moved on to another couple of panels and looked back there was a haze or light film over everything I did.

On the 1st vehicle I used about 2 oz of ONR in 4 gallons of water & clean micro fiber towels. Then I thought maybe it's too much ONR so on the next vehicle I measured 1 oz in 2 gallons of water, more clean towels, same result.

Now the only thing I can think of, does ONR strip previous wax, sealant or whatever that may be creating this haze?

Has anyone experienced this before? I've done some searching on older posts but can't find anything like this mentioned before.
 
ONR won't strip wax or sealants. Did you try misting that section with water or a QD?
 
IMO...what it sounds like you are seeing is your LSP that wasn't all the way removed. When you're in the garage doing ONR, you're paying more attention to the panels as you wash, so maybe you're now "seeing" your LSP. The reason I say this is because I too am seeing the same results. I attribute this to the fact that I did not let the Collinite 915 cure before I applied some Swissvax.

Maybe someone else has something different...just letting you know what I'm experiencing.
 
alko said:
IMO...what it sounds like you are seeing is your LSP that wasn't all the way removed. When you're in the garage doing ONR, you're paying more attention to the panels as you wash, so maybe you're now "seeing" your LSP. The reason I say this is because I too am seeing the same results. I attribute this to the fact that I did not let the Collinite 915 cure before I applied some Swissvax.

Maybe someone else has something different...just letting you know what I'm experiencing.
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I would have to agree here. It's probably your LSP that was never fully removed/buffed off. Collinite is one of those waxes that this happens with a lot.
 
SeaJay's said:
I would have to agree here. It's probably your LSP that was never fully removed/buffed off. Collinite is one of those waxes that this happens with a lot.
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yes...removed as in buffed off. It sucks because I REALLY don't want to remove the LSPs but I think I might have too because every time I look at the car in the light I can see it and it pisses me off. :-/
 
That makes sense, I think the last product I used was Collonite on both vehicles. Thanks
 
I've used a QD to get some of it off, but overall if you want to get it looking good again you may have to strip it off and start over.
 
I dont know but you said heated garage.. how cold is it outside? I cant speak from experiance but if the metal was cold and you had warm air in garage+warm water with onr could it haze up on you??? Im interested in this az well because i will be doing DP rinseless washes this winter and im hoping to not have same issue
 
It's been in the 20's and 30's here, but the cars were had been in the 45 degree garage for a while so they were warm.

I did go over both with a quick detailer and even with that it was hard to clear up the haze
 
Same thing happened to me yesterday when I washed with ONR. Mostly on my hood. I had 476 as my last LSP. I tried everything to remove it, even CarPro Eraser. I ended up just polishing it, and starting from scratch.
 
When did you apply the 476? And how long did you let it dry before buffing off?
 
Jfresh said:
Same thing happened to me yesterday when I washed with ONR. Mostly on my hood. I had 476 as my last LSP. I tried everything to remove it, even CarPro Eraser. I ended up just polishing it, and starting from scratch.
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Carpro Eraser is not a product to remove an LSP. It's to remove polishing oils and residue in preparation for an LSP.

Taken from AG:

CarPro Eraser is an IPA and more! Eraser is an intense cleaner designed to dissolve oil particles and remove polish residue to prepare the paintwork for Cquartz. Eraser attracts polish residue and dust better and cleans better than an ordinary IPA. Eraser makes it possible for everyone to get the perfect Cquartz finish.

To remove an LSP, claying, washing in dawn, and/or using a product such as Griot's Garage Paint Prep will remove the LSP.
 
umi000 said:
When did you apply the 476? And how long did you let it dry before buffing off?
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About a month ago. I did it according to the directions: small section at a time and buffed off when it began to dry/haze, which in my case wasn't that long at all. It started to haze within minutes on a cool surface, temps around 60 or so.
 
dugout said:
The other day I used ONR for the 1st time to wash both of my daily drivers in my heated garage. I thought everything was going well, I washed and dried a panel at a time but after I moved on to another couple of panels and looked back there was a haze or light film over everything I did.

On the 1st vehicle I used about 2 oz of ONR in 4 gallons of water & clean micro fiber towels. Then I thought maybe it's too much ONR so on the next vehicle I measured 1 oz in 2 gallons of water, more clean towels, same result.
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Just want to point out something no one has commented on yet...

2 oz of product in 4 gallons of water is the same dilution as 1 oz of product in 2 gallons of water, so if it was the case that the solution was too strong you didn't change it (if those are in fact the ratios you used).

That said, doubt it was the strength of teh ONR, since the instructions are for 1 ounce in 2 gallons. IMO more likely causes are the areas not being buffed completely (you're seeing buffer haze) or perhaps as someone said you're seeing unremoved product.

I've also had this occur when "topping" LSPs with other LSPs that don't play well together. forget what combination it was (but definitely was wax over sealant), but one time, at certain angles, the result was all haziy where I'd done that. Was glad I cuaght it prior to doing the whole car. Sometimes more isn't better....
 
dugout said:
The other day I used ONR for the 1st time to wash both of my daily drivers in my heated garage. I thought everything was going well, I washed and dried a panel at a time but after I moved on to another couple of panels and looked back there was a haze or light film over everything I did.

On the 1st vehicle I used about 2 oz of ONR in 4 gallons of water & clean micro fiber towels. Then I thought maybe it's too much ONR so on the next vehicle I measured 1 oz in 2 gallons of water, more clean towels, same result.

Now the only thing I can think of, does ONR strip previous wax, sealant or whatever that may be creating this haze?

Has anyone experienced this before? I've done some searching on older posts but can't find anything like this mentioned before.
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There could be any one of a number of things in play here:

There could have been something in the bucket if you use it for multiple tasks.

If you use towels that have been used for sealants and wax they won't dry well and leave some residue.

The panel may have needed another wash pass (could've still been a little dirty).

If you used tap water, there may be minerals that caused the polymers to react weird.

But, rest assured ONR certainly doesn't strip LSP's...try changing up one or two of the elements of your wash to see if you can narrow down the culprit.
 
I want to point out something that I always experience when using ONR. I always have a slight film, especially on the windows. I attribute this to the lubricating agents in ONR. But mine always comes right off with a QD.

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Chris@Optimum said:
There could be any one of a number of things in play here:

There could have been something in the bucket if you use it for multiple tasks.

If you use towels that have been used for sealants and wax they won't dry well and leave some residue.

The panel may have needed another wash pass (could've still been a little dirty).

If you used tap water, there may be minerals that caused the polymers to react weird.

But, rest assured ONR certainly doesn't strip LSP's...try changing up one or two of the elements of your wash to see if you can narrow down the culprit.
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The buckets have been used for washing only but the towels have been used for wax and sealants in the past. I didn't think of that, maybe that was the problem here. I'll use different towels next time.

Thanks Chris
 
I was having streaking issues with Opti Clean when we were beta testing it and kept complaining to Dr. G that we needed to work on the dilution or something. He said my testing was not in line with other testers and so I started looking at the other variables. In that instance it was in deed my towels. When I switched to some of my new towels there was NO streaking. I demoted them problem towels to general cleaning and rotate my new stock in a little more frequently these days.
 
Jfresh said:
About a month ago. I did it according to the directions: small section at a time and buffed off when it began to dry/haze, which in my case wasn't that long at all. It started to haze within minutes on a cool surface, temps around 60 or so.
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Hmmm, just my opinion, but you might have wiped it off too soon? I know the instructions say to wipe off as soon as it begins to haze, but in my experience, the longer you let carnauba waxes set-up on your paint, the less issues you have with carnauba sweating - and even the Collinite waxes are easy enough to remove, provided you apply in a very thin layer.
 
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