Ultima Paint Guard vs Blackfire Crystal Seal??

HellDemon said:
Hmm see, people say that you only need 1 coat to achieve a damn good look with crystal seal, whereas UPGP you need 3 coats... What about if you did 2 or 3 coats with crystal seal? Would it make it look better than the 3-coats of UPGP?
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I want to know this too.Also what's the curing time between applications ?

Bigbull2984 said:
Sorry I should have given more details.

I used BFWD, and next day used CS.
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Thanks Bigballs.
 
UPGP is incredible! Can be layered after 45 minutes, really does layer as many times as you would like, and goes a very long way. Apply about one mist per 3 sq. Ft. Via mf applicator.

I haven't tried BFCS
 
CEE DOG said:
UPGP is incredible! Can be layered after 45 minutes, really does layer as many times as you would like, and goes a very long way. Apply about one mist per 3 sq. Ft. Via mf applicator.

I haven't tried BFCS
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Corey, I now have both products. CS & UTTG are both amazingly simple and quick to use. According to Todd CS should cure and can be topped in that 45min - 1hr time frame as well. Believe it or not I think CS is ever so slightly easier to use than UPGP but that is really splitting hairs here. For looks I think both are great. BFCS does lean towards that BF look a little more. As far as slickness goes I think UPGP has an ever so slight edge on that one. I may need to do a true 50/50 test on my car to see the durability and true overall looks comparison.
 
Uh this is confusing,some people say 12 hours others say 1 hour.What's the official word on this.hopefully is just 1 hour.
 
TroyScherer said:
Just get it and try..... Don't over think it.
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I could but I don't know how long too wait,before the 2nd coat,yeah I know 12hrs would be ideal,but I don't have 12hrs,I could do 6hrs but then I don't want to lay a 2nd coat if the 1st isn't totally cured.:dunno:

I'm doing this for winter preparation ( around october )That's why a 2nd coat would be great.
 
Webb said:
I could but I don't know how long too wait,before the 2nd coat,yeah I know 12hrs would be ideal,but I don't have 12hrs,I could do 6hrs but then I don't want to lay a 2nd coat if the 1st isn't totally cured.:dunno:

I'm doing this for winter preparation ( around october )That's why a 2nd coat would be great.
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As Corey noted and has good info from Ultima, you can top it with a second coat in 45min or so.

Webb check out this thread from over on AF. In one of the last few posts Todd says that CS will realistically be ready for a second coat in 30min - 1hr.

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As far as topping with a wax I still think you would be better off wait 12 hours. You could always do 2-3 coats of UPGP or CS and then top it a few days or a week later.
 
Thanks Troy,1hr sounds better than 12hrs,yeah I will do 2 coats than wax it.:xyxthumbs:
 
I have both products hand like them both. The UPGP Sprayer is not the best seems to have clogged up and not so with the BFCs YET. AS FAR AS LOOKS GO THEY BOTH ARE VERY NICE, HARD TO TELL WHAT IS BEST, BUT WITH EASE OF USE THEY ARE BOTH A WINNER IN MY BOOK. I use UPGP OR CS every wash or every second wash and the look is always their it is so easy.....
 
I've only used the Wolfgang version of these WOWA sealants, and its hard to find ANY fault with that product, so if I had to pick between the two I would pick the BF one.

However, my guess is, ALL 3 of these products are made by 4*; so they really are not that different. Also, I would think the BFCS is an "improved" version of UPG+ - but that's just a guess.
 
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