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New Car Swirls


I just got a new 2012 charger which is a dark dark blue color. Unfortunately I have noticed it has swirls and spider lines in the paint which is very noticeable in certain light. I have researched another website and this one. I think I am on the right track after talking with a few people but they are not familiar with blackfire line of products.

This is what I am looking to use please tell me if this is good or bad, I am new to detailing and do not want to kill m car I would absolutely be in pieces if I destroy my new cars finish.

Clay
Blackfire Poly Clay Bar (PolyClay II) - 200 gram

Clay Lube
Poorboy's World Spray & Wipe (S&W)

Polish
Meguiar's Ultra-Cut Compound M105
Meguiar's Ultra Finishing Polish M205

or

Blackfire Scratch Resistant Clear Finishing Polish
Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish

Sealant
Blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection

Wax
Blackfire Midnight Sun Carnauba Paste Wax
 
First, a couple of things...welcome to the forum! And you need to realize that if you use the products above and remove the swirls, that a certain amount of care and discipline is required to keep from swirling up your car again. No tunnel washes, and you need to be very careful with your washing/waxing technique and the media you use.

Now that those are out of the way, are you planning on doing this by hand, or using a machine?
 
I will not run the car through a brush based car wash only a touchless as I now understand how the brushes swirl the paint.

I have been hand washing it with a mitt and meguiars gold auto soap presently and spraying out the mit with pressure hose attachment (mixes soap and water connects to garden hose) whenever i work around the quater panels since those collect a lot of debris

then i dry it with a chamois and waffle weave towels.


I was originally planning on doing it by hand but after talking with people I believe I will be buying a Meguiars DA Buffer (it seems more newbie proof then getting a porter cable)
 
I forgot to mention I am not as concerned about price as I am results. I want to get all the spider marks and swirls, they honesly cannot be seen until your on top of the car but it bothers me that my new car has this, the dealer probably ran it through a brush type car wash.
 
thebouncer said:
I just got a new 2012 charger which is a dark dark blue color. Unfortunately I have noticed it has swirls and spider lines in the paint which is very noticeable in certain light.
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Lets hope it's only light swirls and scratches from improper washing and wiping and they didn't let their in-house detailer buff it with a rotary buffer and instill DISO

DISO = The Dealership Installed Swirl Option

I don't think I've ever seen a car so swirled out by the mis-use of a rotary buffer...
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(You can find more articles like the one above here,


thebouncer said:
This is what I am looking to use please tell me if this is good or bad, I am new to detailing and do not want to kill m car I would absolutely be in pieces if I destroy my new cars finish.

Polish
Meguiar's Ultra-Cut Compound M105
Meguiar's Ultra Finishing Polish M205

or

Blackfire Scratch Resistant Clear Finishing Polish
Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish
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Both of the above will work, if you go with Blackfire you want to get the Blackfire SRC Compound and the SRC Finishing Polish. If you get these two products you don't need the Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish and it's a light paint cleaner and the other two products will be do the swirls and scratch removal and as a secondary benefit also "cleaning" the paint.

The Megs DA is a very good DA Polisher, I would recommend getting 5.5" pads and a 5" backing plate to go with it, see my articles below for the reasons why...


The short how-to guide for using a DA Polisher
How to maximize the ability of the 1st Generation Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers


Thin is in... New Lake Country Hydro-Tech Low Profile 5 1/2 x 7/8 Inch Foam Pads

5 1/2 inch and 6 inch Buffing Pads on Autogeek's Online Store

5 Inch Backing Plates for DA Polishers - Pictures and Links


DA Polisher Articles - Help for Newbies to Machine Polishing



This one explains how the Megs, Griot's and PC drive mechanism works...


The Free Floating Spindle Assembly - The Story Behind The Story...


All my articles on using DA Polishers can be found on my article list


And consider getting one of these,

Resources

E-book
(Displayed on iPad - iPad not included)
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Paperback



How to Properly Use the Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher Updated!
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Pinnacle Complete Car Care System Instructional How-to DVD
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Mike Phillips' The Art Of Detailing Audio Book
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Mike Phillips' Principles of Machine Polishing






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Bouncer don`t scare away from Porter Cable or any other I am still learning about detailing, this is one of my rare post but I purchased the Porter Cable one and I love it. When in dough ease up on the pressure and turn down the speed, pay close attention to your work and you should do just fine
 
You don't HAVE to have a compressor, you can brush the pads. The DA Correction Compound, Ultimate Compound, and 105 are all similar SMAT products, just targeted for slightly different uses.

As far as skipping the DA Finishing Wax, that has the finishing polish in it, as I said, you can top that with the Blackfire anyway. You may get an acceptable finish with just the DA compound if your paint is hard.

It's just so easy to get great results with the Meg's Microfiber DA system, and it's simple so novices don't have to get into "which pad with what chemical at what speed" etc. I really don't know why AG doesn't bundle the polisher with the MF kit. What do you say, Meghan? Are you listening?
 
We used Blackfire for these two swirl removal projects...

2004 Chevy SSR - Extreme Makeover by Blackfire - Modeled by Tasha


Here's my friend Sharif's black 2004 Chevy SSR right after he arrived and we moved the SSR into Autogeek's Show Car Garage...

Here's how it looked when it arrived...
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To say the paint was in good shape or bad shape depends upon your point of view...

If you're hoping for a a lot of swirls and scratches to make buffing out the paint a challenge, then the paint is in excellent condition.

If you're inspecting the paint and trying to categorize the condition of the paint in an accurate manner... then it's a swirled out mess!

We like the challenge so we thought the paint looked horrible but in a great kind of way! :D


The paint literally looked like it was washed with a scotch brite pad...
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Feeling the paint with just our clean hands revealed a surface that felt like 80 grit sandpaper so we clayed using Blackfire Poly Clay and Blackfire Clay Lubricant
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Some kind of grunge all over the paint. Not surprising, this is Sharif's daily driver so it's exposed to the environment at least 5 days a week.
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Beauty Shots...

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Autogeek's Car of the Week - 2011 Camaro

All work done using Blackfire products...
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More here...


Pictures from Autogeek's Car of the Week



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detailer buff it with a rotary buffer and instill DISO
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Mike thank you for your reply its not nearly as bad as that hood these are very fine marks in the clearcoat, you have to look in the right light to see it

I have attached the pictures and circled the area it is more pronounced then the photo is showing but I did manage to capture a little bit of the spider lines in the center of the red circled area

From a distance the car looks fine its just up close you notice all these fine circular lines.
 
I'd never try M105 on a brand new car until I tried far less aggressive alternatives. The paint although having minor swirls hopefully doesn't need an aggressive compound such as M105.

Surely clay it, then do a test spot using perhaps M205 or Wolf Gang Swirl Remover, or perhaps Optimum's Polish II or Hyper Polish with an orange pad.

Sucks to have a new car is such shape. The best thing I ever did when I ordered mt new Camaro was to tell the salesman the deal is voided if anybody touches the paint for any reason...I received a really dirty car...but I was a happy camper nonetheless.
 
thebouncer said:
Mike thank you for your reply its not nearly as bad as that hood these are very fine marks in the clearcoat, you have to look in the right light to see it

I have attached the pictures and circled the area it is more pronounced then the photo is showing but I did manage to capture a little bit of the spider lines in the center of the red circled area

From a distance the car looks fine its just up close you notice all these fine circular lines.
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Go with the Blackfire system, get 5.5" pads, either the Hydro-Tech or the Flat Pads and then take your time, divide each panel into smaller sections and then just buff out section by section.

For people that are new to machine polishing I recommend tackling just a panel or two the first time so you don't get burnt-out.

If you wash, then clay the paint and then use the SRC Compound and then the SRC Polish and then wax the paint it will take you about 4 hours. You won't get burnt-out the the results will blow you away and get you excited to tackle the rest of the car.


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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Go with the Blackfire system, get 5.5" pads, either the Hydro-Tech or the Flat Pads and then take your time, divide each panel into smaller sections and then just buff out section by section.

For people that are new to machine polishing I recommend tackling just a panel or two the first time so you don't get burnt-out.

If you wash, then clay the paint and then use the SRC Compound and then the SRC Polish and then wax the paint it will take you about 4 hours. You won't get burnt-out the the results will blow you away and get you excited to tackle the rest of the car.


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So would this be the correct order ?

1. wash
2. Clay
3. SRC compound
4. SRC Polish
5. Blackfire Midnight Sun Wax ?

An your talking about this with the blackfire correct BLACKFIRE compound and finishing polish

Will the Blackfire clay mess up the finish at all ? is there a better clay or is that good enough ?

After I do all this how do I maintain it ? do I need to get blackfire soap or the detailing spray ?
 
Just checked weather forecast partly cloudy and in the 40's maybe low 50's (it will be partly cloudy as well) this weekend will that be too cold for the clay, polish, sealant and all ? what is the ideal temperature ?
 
Also which of the Hydro Tech or Flat pads should I get ? Do I need each color/type or what do you recommend ?
 
thebouncer said:
Also which of the Hydro Tech or Flat pads should I get ? Do I need each color/type or what do you recommend ?
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Here's the deal... more pads are better. I don't type that to "sell" you more I type that because that's the truth, ask any Pro detailer that machine buffs out cars all day long for a living.

As you run the polisher, the pads become wet or saturated with product, even closed cell pads become wet with product. As foam becomes wet it becomes squishy and it's this squishiness versus dryness characteristic that causes the pad to lose ability to effectively rotate.

Effectively means at a high speed while under pressure during any type of abrading process.

So you could do the correction step with one pad or do it faster with 6 pads by switching to a clean, dry pad as the previous pad becomes wet and you notice effectiveness in pad rotating dropping off.

That said, a good starting set of pads for the average person buying 5.5" 7/8th" thin Hydro-Tech pads would be,

3 Cyan Cutting pads --> Blackfire SRC Compound/M105
3 Tangerine Polishing pads --> Blackfire SRC Finishing Polish/M205


You don't know how ANY paint system, (that's the paint on your car, it's a "paint system") will react to any specific pad, polish, tool or technique until you do some testing. This is called the Test Spot.

So it is possible that the paint on your car might polish out better and faster with less aggressive pads using the same products, that could look like this,


3 Tangerine Polishing pads --> Blackfire SRC Compound/M105
3 Crimson Finishing pads --> Blackfire SRC Finishing Polish/M205


See how I substituted less aggressive pads for the same products to alter the aggressiveness of the process.


So for a well rounded order, you could get 3 of each or whatever your budget allows and priority for working fast.


If you find the cutting pad and polishing pad working best for your correction steps you can use the finishing pads to machine apply your wax or paint sealant.

I try to ALWAYS do every step by machine and get my hand out of the paint polishing equation.

Here's how to machine apply a wax,



Here's why I like to get my hand out of the equation...

How-to Machine Apply Wax using a DA Polisher

How to Apply Dodo Pastes Waxes by Machine

How To Apply Mothers California Gold Carnauba Paste Wax by Machine



Hope I've helped and not confused...

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Mike,

Thank you for the helpful information.

I just have a few last questions for you or anybody else here

1. Just checked weather forecast partly cloudy and in the 40's maybe low 50's (it will be partly cloudy as well) this weekend will that be too cold for the clay, polish, sealant and all ? what is the ideal temperature ?

2. is this the correct procedure ?

1. wash
2. Clay
3. SRC compound
4. SRC Polish
5. Blackfire Midnight Sun Wax ?


3. Is the Blackfire SRC compound as harsh as M105 ?
 
thebouncer said:
Mike,

Thank you for the helpful information.

I just have a few last questions for you or anybody else here

1. Just checked weather forecast partly cloudy and in the 40's maybe low 50's (it will be partly cloudy as well) this weekend will that be too cold for the clay, polish, sealant and all ? what is the ideal temperature ?
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Matter of fact... I have an article on this question...

What temperature ranges are best for applying compounds, polishes, waxes and paint sealants


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thebouncer said:
2. is this the correct procedure ?

1. wash
2. Clay
2.5 Test Spot
3. SRC compound
4. SRC Polish
5. Blackfire Midnight Sun Wax ?
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Yes.


thebouncer said:
3. Is the Blackfire SRC compound as harsh as M105 ?
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It's no where near as aggressive and has a much longer buffing cycle and a much easier wipe-off.


:)
 
Mike I tried looking at the article on best temperatures and I am getting this error message

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