Kits for BMW (Ceramic Paint?)

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Sorry if this is a redundant question, but I saw on another forum that some BMW's may have ceramic paint.

So first how do you find this out?

Second, what products do you reccomend if it is ceramic paint? I'm looking to Clay, polish, and wax.

Thanks for the tips!
 
Additionally, I've been looking at the following but haven't seen it in a kit.

Meguiars Detail Clay Kit.
Meguiars #9 Mirror Glaze Swirl Remover
Meguiars #82 Mirror Glaze Swirl Free Polish
Meguiars Ultimate Past Wax.
 
What year and model? I was told no BMW made at the NA assembly plant (Z4 +\- M, X3, X6) have ceramic paint. Also, I was told its only 5 series and up for the others (not 1 and 3 Series). I was also told, if it's ceramic, there will be a "C" in the VIN. I know Z4s / M Roadsters have regular paint. Of course, BMW may have changed this recently. This is what I was told, never seen it in a factory bulletin or dealer print.
 
Menzerna I believe has polishes just for ceramics. If its a 530i, depending on year, it probably has it. I believe they started using ceramic around the mid 2000s. If I had a ceramic car, I would tread lightly with Menzerna polish and than OptiCoat it
 
Morgan.530I said:
Additionally, I've been looking at the following but haven't seen it in a kit.

Meguiars Detail Clay Kit.
Meguiars #9 Mirror Glaze Swirl Remover
Meguiars #82 Mirror Glaze Swirl Free Polish
Meguiars Ultimate Past Wax.
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The #9 and #82 are very similar products. At one time, #2 and #9 in the Mirror Glaze line were very popular for working on any basecoat/clearcoat system.

Instead, look at the Wolfgang Twins or the Menzerna SI 1500 followed by the the SF 4000 then seal the paint.

Regardless of the type of paint you still want to,

"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

Because following the above sage wisdom will get you the results you want while leaving the most paint on the car to last over the service life of the car.


The Wolfgang Twins

Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers



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I used Wolfgang twins on my non ceramic BMW with excellent results. They are great polishes if your new to buffing, also at a great price
 
@swanicyouth,
Its an 07 530I Midnight Blue paint.

@Mike,
Thanks for the advice, I'm definitely new to this. I was thinking the #82 was supposed to be used as a finishing polish after the swirl remover so thanks for helping me avoid that waste. I'll definitely look into those other products.
 
Morgan.530I said:
@swanicyouth,
Its an 07 530I Midnight Blue paint.

@Mike,
Thanks for the advice, I'm definitely new to this. I was thinking the #82 was supposed to be used as a finishing polish after the swirl remover so thanks for helping me avoid that waste. I'll definitely look into those other products.
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Not sure what kind of tool you're using but if it's a PC or PC style tool then check these out...


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How to Properly Use the Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher Updated!
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I'll definitely check those out. I've actually only got a Turtle Wax brand orbital that was given to me for christmas. Bad Idea?

So if there is just some light swirling and no deep scratches which products do you reccomend from Wolfgang and Menzerna? I'm wanting to clay as I dont think it's ever been done as well.
 
I actually just read the Wolfgang Post so my mistake for asking a question you've previously answered.
 
Morgan.530I said:
I'll definitely check those out. I've actually only got a Turtle Wax brand orbital that was given to me for christmas. Bad Idea?
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We call polishers like the one you have "wax spreaders". I explain everything in the below article...

The Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader


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You really want to get a PC style polisher if you're serious about removing swirls and scratches and creating a show car finish.

Video: How to pick the right polisher



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@swanicyouth,
Thanks for letting me know.

@all,
Is the Wolfgang Fuzion really worth the $175?
 
Im surprised no one has mentioned the Blackfire duo yet. It worth a shot since it works on ceramic finishes as well.
 
Morgan.530I said:
@swanicyouth,
Thanks for letting me know.

@all,
Is the Wolfgang Fuzion really worth the $175?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you really wanna spend $175, then hell ya its worth it. For me personally, I wouldn't use it only cause of the cost and the amount of cars I do, but do a search and you'll see the results of people who have. I generally use Black Fire "Fire over Ice" set up. Its Wet diamond sealant and then the wax. I get dripping wet and stunning results with that.

If your starting from scratch and building up your supplies, I would stick with one brand. I know that BF has polishes that work on cermicoats and finish down well. Menzerna is a wonderful polish and I use it all the time. PF203 is my favorite "all around" polish only because it cuts and finishes down really well. I might follow that up with either P106 or p085rd, it really depends on what the customer is paying me to do. On my personal cars, I would do the PF203 and p085rd in a heartbeat.

The thing with BMW paint is, once you correct you, you wanna keep it looking great. A wax or sealant will accomplish that but with Opti-coat, your getting more protection and with proper washing rituals, you'll have less of a chance of causing swirls. Its perminate, but the the finished product looks amazing and it makes keeping it clean super easy. I also coat BMW wheels all the time with Opti Coat. It keeps the brake dust down and makes them REALLY easy to clean. As I'm sure you know since you have a BMW, those wheels get dirty quick and can get ruined if you don't stay on top of them!

Sorry for the long post. Hope that helps a little bit. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions or need help in any way. And remember, HAVE FUN or else it becomes a lot like work.
 
RhetoricMixes said:
Im surprised no one has mentioned the Blackfire duo yet. It worth a shot since it works on ceramic finishes as well.
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Looked into them this morning, looks like they definitely have some great stuff. Being new to the clay and polishing side of this I'm just not sure where to start with all the different products each company offers?

Mobile detail said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you really wanna spend $175, then hell ya its worth it. For me personally, I wouldn't use it only cause of the cost and the amount of cars I do, but do a search and you'll see the results of people who have. I generally use Black Fire "Fire over Ice" set up. Its Wet diamond sealant and then the wax. I get dripping wet and stunning results with that.

If your starting from scratch and building up your supplies, I would stick with one brand. I know that BF has polishes that work on cermicoats and finish down well. Menzerna is a wonderful polish and I use it all the time. PF203 is my favorite "all around" polish only because it cuts and finishes down really well. I might follow that up with either P106 or p085rd, it really depends on what the customer is paying me to do. On my personal cars, I would do the PF203 and p085rd in a heartbeat.

The thing with BMW paint is, once you correct you, you wanna keep it looking great. A wax or sealant will accomplish that but with Opti-coat, your getting more protection and with proper washing rituals, you'll have less of a chance of causing swirls. Its perminate, but the the finished product looks amazing and it makes keeping it clean super easy. I also coat BMW wheels all the time with Opti Coat. It keeps the brake dust down and makes them REALLY easy to clean. As I'm sure you know since you have a BMW, those wheels get dirty quick and can get ruined if you don't stay on top of them!

Sorry for the long post. Hope that helps a little bit. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions or need help in any way. And remember, HAVE FUN or else it becomes a lot like work.
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Thanks for the advice, do you know if all of the BF stuff works well with that paint?
 
Mobile detail said:
If your starting from scratch and building up your supplies, I would stick with one brand. I know that BF has polishes that work on cermicoats and finish down well. Menzerna is a wonderful polish and I use it all the time. PF203 is my favorite "all around" polish only because it cuts and finishes down really well. I might follow that up with either P106 or p085rd, it really depends on what the customer

The thing with BMW paint is, once you correct you, you wanna keep it looking great. A wax or sealant will accomplish that but with Opti-coat, your getting more protection and with proper washing rituals, you'll have less of a chance of causing swirls. Its perminate, but the the finished product looks amazing and it makes keeping it clean super easy. I also coat BMW wheels all the time with Opti Coat. It keeps the brake dust down and makes them REALLY easy to clean. As I'm sure you know since you have a BMW, those wheels get dirty quick and can get ruined if you don't stay on top of them!

Sorry for the long post. Hope that helps a little bit. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions or need help in any way. And remember, HAVE FUN or else it becomes a lot like work.
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**** This is all really good advice; especially OC the wheels. Even better, dump the factory brakes for som Axxis Deluxe Pads, they make no dust at all. Wheels stay very clean. Factory BMW pads dust terribly (up to end 0f 2011); that dust will wreck your wheels if not cleaned often.
 
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