Optimum spray wax over Liquid Souveran wax

[Chris Thomas]

I was in the shade completely and the paint was cool to the touch - however, I was doing two things: 1. Spraying directly on the microfiber and not the paint, and also I was using a VERY generous amount, because I directly followed up each panel with a fresh microfiber wife to remove residue and buff to a high gloss shine. So... maybe the combination of spraying on the microfiber and using too much?

Using too much is almost always the culprit or there may have been some incompatibility with the Nuba you applied first. All of our products are very concentrated so more is not better. Another thing that will cause streaking is temperature of the panel. If its too warm, the product flashes too fast. I used to have a single stage land cruiser that streaked very easily as if the paint was soaking up the product, but that was the only vehicle I couldn't blame on my technique. Did you say the Camaro was single stage? It may be like my Cruiser...just an odd one.

 

[swanicyouth]

I find OCW is best applied on dark paint with 2 different MF towels. One to buff almost clean, and one clean one to rebuff. It is tricky on darker colors, I've had it streak and ghost on top of other waxes. Since it wasn't designed to be used that way, maybe that was the issue. On lighter colors it's great.

 

[ronki]

I find OCW is best applied on dark paint with 2 different MF towels. One to buff almost clean, and one clean one to rebuff. It is tricky on darker colors, I've had it streak and ghost on top of other waxes. Since it wasn't designed to be used that way, maybe that was the issue. On lighter colors it's great.

Ok, so this is a bit OT.

When I use OCW as an LSP, I use an MF Block (suede-like cloth with a sponge inside). It doesn't absorb a lot of the OCW.

I spray into the panel, then spread the OCW using the MF block, after that do I need to buff it off with an MF?

Because sometimes after spreading it, I rarely see streaks or even traces of OCW on the paint. Or maybe it's very hard to see considering I apply it on a silver paint?

 

[Ohio Detailing]

I would not be using anymore then 1-2 sprays per panel

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OCW streaked on my car too when I had a heavy trigger finger at first - especially on my wifes dark paint.

Dark paint was the first time I noticed it - awesome advice, now I don't feel the need to send this gallon back that JUST came in the mail two days ago!

Using too much is almost always the culprit or there may have been some incompatibility with the Nuba you applied first. All of our products are very concentrated so more is not better. Another thing that will cause streaking is temperature of the panel. If its too warm, the product flashes too fast. I used to have a single stage land cruiser that streaked very easily as if the paint was soaking up the product, but that was the only vehicle I couldn't blame on my technique. Did you say the Camaro was single stage? It may be like my Cruiser...just an odd one.

I think it was a mixture of the carnauba and the use of too much per panel. The only other paste carnauba I have is Meg's Yellow Paste Wax - would that be alright to use?

Also, the car has been repainted recently, so it is a standard base/clear coat.

When you say "flash" too fast, would you please explain that? Thank you so much for the help Chris, I have over a gallon of the Optimum Spray Wax and have already been through a gallon over the last couple years and would really like to continue enjoying it on mine, and customer's cars!

I find OCW is best applied on dark paint with 2 different MF towels. One to buff almost clean, and one clean one to rebuff. It is tricky on darker colors, I've had it streak and ghost on top of other waxes. Since it wasn't designed to be used that way, maybe that was the issue. On lighter colors it's great.

Speaking of what it was designed for, specifically what is the use of this product? So, it really shouldn't be applied over ANY other paste carnauba?

Ok, so this is a bit OT.

When I use OCW as an LSP, I use an MF Block (suede-like cloth with a sponge inside). It doesn't absorb a lot of the OCW.

I spray into the panel, then spread the OCW using the MF block, after that do I need to buff it off with an MF?

Because sometimes after spreading it, I rarely see streaks or even traces of OCW on the paint. Or maybe it's very hard to see considering I apply it on a silver paint?

I would always advocate buffing, because often times your eyes can't see everything at work on a molecular scale - and it's always good technique to stay consistent with your procedures

 

[Chris Thomas]

I think it was a mixture of the carnauba and the use of too much per panel. The only other paste carnauba I have is Meg's Yellow Paste Wax - would that be alright to use?

Also, the car has been repainted recently, so it is a standard base/clear coat.

When you say "flash" too fast, would you please explain that? Thank you so much for the help Chris, I have over a gallon of the Optimum Spray Wax and have already been through a gallon over the last couple years and would really like to continue enjoying it on mine, and customer's cars!

Speaking of what it was designed for, specifically what is the use of this product? So, it really shouldn't be applied over ANY other paste carnauba?

I'm not sure because I don't have Souveran, but I think its a hybrid with polymers. When I said it may be a compatability issue, I mean the polymers in ours may not play nice with the polymers in theirs. Plain nuba should do fine...just have to try it.

Flash means the carrier solvent evaporates and leaves the protective product behind on the surface. When it flashes away too fast, products are not leveled and appear as streaks. Flashing is usually dependant on heat and air circulation. The warmer the panel and the more air flow, the faster flash time. Over application will cause streaks too, so it's hard to nail down the culprit. One spray for a fender, two for a door or hood is plenty. Just spread it quickly over a panel for coverage, and immediately buff to a high shine with a second dry MF. If you find that parts are drying before you get to them with your second towel, then it's flashing too fast and you need to reduce your application area to a smaller section.

The intended use of our wax is the durability of a paste with the ease of use of a spray wax. You CAN use it as a topper, but it is good enough to stand alone. It also has patented UV protection that has a cumulative effect with continued use. It will actually migrate into the top coat and restore the UV inhibitors that are lost/used up over time.

 

[Ohio Detailing]

I'm not sure because I don't have Souveran, but I think its a hybrid with polymers. When I said it may be a compatability issue, I mean the polymers in ours may not play nice with the polymers in theirs. Plain nuba should do fine...just have to try it.

Flash means the carrier solvent evaporates and leaves the protective product behind on the surface. When it flashes away too fast, products are not leveled and appear as streaks. Flashing is usually dependant on heat and air circulation. The warmer the panel and the more air flow, the faster flash time. Over application will cause streaks too, so it's hard to nail down the culprit. One spray for a fender, two for a door or hood is plenty. Just spread it quickly over a panel for coverage, and immediately buff to a high shine with a second dry MF. If you find that parts are drying before you get to them with your second towel, then it's flashing too fast and you need to reduce your application area to a smaller section.

The intended use of our wax is the durability of a paste with the ease of use of a spray wax. You CAN use it as a topper, but it is good enough to stand alone. It also has patented UV protection that has a cumulative effect with continued use. It will actually migrate into the top coat and restore the UV inhibitors that are lost/used up over time.

What a helpful thorough post, THANK YOU. I honestly feel confident I have the issue nailed down, and I look forward to continuing to use Optimum Spray Wax. I noticed the streaking also because we were doing the wipe down outside, so the base carrier probably was evaporating at a faster rate, and over applying the product compounded the problem. Do streaks disappear on their own, improving as they rest on the paint if left untouched, like a sealant may do?

 

[swanicyouth]

Both OCW and PB QD+ both "ghost" or "sweat" when applied OVER my current LSP (Dodo PH Pro). PB Spray and Gloss & Optimum QD do not. That doesn't mean the "ghosters" are bad products, just that there is likely an incompatibility. Remember, OCW is no quick detailer, but a stand alone high quality LSP. We're kind of using it that way because it's so easy to use.

 

[dmayer]

Does anyone know if Collinite 845 has UV inhibitors? On the Autogeek ad it states "Insulator Wax stands up to the heat and UV rays better than most carnauba waxes". Is there a difference between a wax 'standing up' to UV rays and being a UV inhibitor?

Thanks.

 

[Chris Thomas]

I spray into the panel, then spread the OCW using the MF block, after that do I need to buff it off with an MF?

Because sometimes after spreading it, I rarely see streaks or even traces of OCW on the paint. Or maybe it's very hard to see considering I apply it on a silver paint?

OCW looks better and has less/no streaking if actually "buffed to a shine" instead of just wiped off like a quick detailer. I like to use one MF to spread the product evenly over the panel, then another to buff. The one I buff with may get flipped a couple of times depending on how the panel looks. Streaks can be cleaned up by going over the panel with a waterdampened towel followed by a second dry MF if they occur.

What a helpful thorough post, THANK YOU...

...Do streaks disappear on their own, improving as they rest on the paint if left untouched, like a sealant may do?

You're welcome. They won't stain if that's what you mean, but they will most likely be there until your next wash. Any area of over application will dry that way if not leveled. A cool panel will allow the product to self level unless too much is applied. There is only so much surface for the polymers to bond to and then they bond to each other resulting in the streaks you see. All streaks are is an area where too much product sits and clouds the clarity due to the thickness.

 

[Shortspark]

Would it do any good to spray Optimum Spray wax over Duragloss AquaWax? I'm thinking it might provide deeper gloss. I polish with Duragloss Total Polish and use AW now and then over it as a booster. I believe AquaWax is actually a sealant topper and contains no wax. Accordingly, would OSW even bond to the AW?

 

[ronki]

OCW looks better and has less/no streaking if actually "buffed to a shine" instead of just wiped off like a quick detailer. I like to use one MF to spread the product evenly over the panel, then another to buff. The one I buff with may get flipped a couple of times depending on how the panel looks. Streaks can be cleaned up by going over the panel with a waterdampened towel followed by a second dry MF if they occur.



You're welcome. They won't stain if that's what you mean, but they will most likely be there until your next wash. Any area of over application will dry that way if not leveled. A cool panel will allow the product to self level unless too much is applied. There is only so much surface for the polymers to bond to and then they bond to each other resulting in the streaks you see. All streaks are is an area where too much product sits and clouds the clarity due to the thickness.

Thank you Chris!

I was just wondering, I never thought of spraying OCW on naked paint, for the restoration of UV inhibitors.

So does this mean it can be sprayed after polishing? Then topped of with LSP?

 

[Ohio Detailing]

Both OCW and PB QD+ both "ghost" or "sweat" when applied OVER my current LSP (Dodo PH Pro). PB Spray and Gloss & Optimum QD do not. That doesn't mean the "ghosters" are bad products, just that there is likely an incompatibility. Remember, OCW is no quick detailer, but a stand alone high quality LSP. We're kind of using it that way because it's so easy to use.

I guess technically I don't need the Optimum Spray Wax over my just-applied paste carnauba wax, I just was trying to do it to add more depth before delivering the vehicle to the client.

I just try to avoid using the spray wax on customer cars that are neglected, because unless the surface is prepped and ready to receive a high quality wax, it will look terrible and the application and wipe off will be horribly hard.

 

[Ohio Detailing]

O Streaks can be cleaned up by going over the panel with a waterdampened towel followed by a second dry MF if they occur.

Any area of over application will dry that way if not leveled. A cool panel will allow the product to self level unless too much is applied. There is only so much surface for the polymers to bond to and then they bond to each other resulting in the streaks you see. All streaks are is an area where too much product sits and clouds the clarity due to the thickness.

This one post totally explains everything I needed to know! Especially with the dampened microfiber tip, I can't see ever getting streaks again. I have to also say that customer service is HUGE in this circumstance, because I was literally going to send my gallon of Optimum Spray Car Wax back, if I didn't receive all of this great help

Would it do any good to spray Optimum Spray wax over Duragloss AquaWax? I'm thinking it might provide deeper gloss. I polish with Duragloss Total Polish and use AW now and then over it as a booster. I believe AquaWax is actually a sealant topper and contains no wax. Accordingly, would OSW even bond to the AW?

I am curious about this too. I have a gallon of AquaWax I spray on the car after my final rinse while it's still wet, to add wax protection as I dry and reduce spotting.

 

[Chris Thomas]

Thank you Chris!

I was just wondering, I never thought of spraying OCW on naked paint, for the restoration of UV inhibitors.

So does this mean it can be sprayed after polishing? Then topped of with LSP?

Yes, OCW is a standalone LSP...not just a topper.

 

[Chris Thomas]

I guess technically I don't need the Optimum Spray Wax over my just-applied paste carnauba wax, I just was trying to do it to add more depth before delivering the vehicle to the client.

I just try to avoid using the spray wax on customer cars that are neglected, because unless the surface is prepped and ready to receive a high quality wax, it will look terrible and the application and wipe off will be horribly hard.

That's exactly right. OCW is a pure LSP. It has no corrective or cleaning ablility. It is best used on prepped paint.

 

[Chris Thomas]

This one post totally explains everything I needed to know! Especially with the dampened microfiber tip, I can't see ever getting streaks again. I have to also say that customer service is HUGE in this circumstance, because I was literally going to send my gallon of Optimum Spray Car Wax back, if I didn't receive all of this great help



I am curious about this too. I have a gallon of AquaWax I spray on the car after my final rinse while it's still wet, to add wax protection as I dry and reduce spotting.

I'm very glad to have been helpful. You can visit our forums and/or email me with any Optimum related issues...anytime.

Aquawax can be used while the car is wet and OCW should be applied to a dry vehicle...although I do like to use it in conjuction with ONR during which I apply it after my first drying pass which is slightly damp. I have used AW and OCW together before with no issue, but some paints may react differently so you will just have to test it out on your ride.

 

[Ohio Detailing]

I'm very glad to have been helpful. You can visit our forums and/or email me with any Optimum related issues...anytime.

Aquawax can be used while the car is wet and OCW should be applied to a dry vehicle...although I do like to use it in conjuction with ONR during which I apply it after my first drying pass which is slightly damp. I have used AW and OCW together before with no issue, but some paints may react differently so you will just have to test it out on your ride.

I use Ultima's Waterless Wash+ Concentrate while drying, so adding in a little AquaWax in the same bottle perhaps when I dilute it might just be the PERFECT combination of preventing spots and adding some gloss in one step while drying!

 

[builthatch]

many may hate on me for this, but...so many of you guys make your lives so difficult overthinking this stuff. that is totally up to you, obviously, but often it seems like a waste of time and money.

correct the car, prep and apply your LSP of choice. optimum spray wax is easy enough and durable - just use that...or use opti-seal...or use whatever. but don't worry about all these layers and compatibility. just pick one good one when the car is cleaned properly and run with it.

then for maintenance, just wash properly wash and depending on the frequency of washes, if you have used a sealant or wax, apply spray wax after drying to boost the LSP you already applied. if you have coated it don't worry about any of them. but like...once a month at the very VERY most makes sense to reapply OCW. it's SO easy to do. no need to waste any more product than that because even that is excessive.

to address the OP's original query, i'd say the solvents in liquid souveran would not be very compatible with optimum spray wax when used right after one another but a day or week should be fine. excessive, but fine. i don't blame you for using/switching to OCW because it is a fantastic product. easier to use than anything else that can call itself a wax and it offers incredible protection.

KISS!

 

[Shortspark]

I agree with builthatch, we over think this whole thing and I'm among the guilty. Life is too short to worry this much about it. I will wash, clay, wash again and then put down Duragloss 601/105 with the Griot electric polisher and finishing pad, followed a day later with 951. Wash when it needs it with the new Duragloss No Rinse with AquaWax 931, and (maybe) give a light squirt and buff of OCW or 921 and I'm good for six months before I have to polish again. I will save time and money using these products this way and will have protection and shine that will be hard to beat.