Anyone else having undesirable UIGP results? Please help!!

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I absolutely love UPGP and UTTG but I really have mixed results with UIGP. I used Poorboy's World Natural Look dressing until seeing Corey's Reviews of the Ultima line of products. The Ultima line was something that I couldn't seem to get over the price per bottle on, but was I totally wrong? The performance of UPGP for the price per application just can't be beat. The only thing I wanted more in a product than what Poorboy's Natural Look was providing was longer durability. The look of Natural look when applied correctly (Less is More) can't be beat in my opinion.

I have had stellar looking results with UIGP on certain vehicles however, I have experienced a splotchy whitening effect on the black or dark gray dash and console plastic of both Range Rovers and the Toyota Prius. I clean the plastic with a 10:1 dilution of an APC then rinse with a water dampened towel, before applying UIGP as thin as possible being sure to work the product in as thorough as possible. It looks great at first, but later after some curing time I get a terrible look on the dash and sometimes other interior plastics.

here's a few pictures of how the Toyota Prius dash turned out after having this issue. You can see the overall white haze and also a line where I stopped just to the right of the steering wheel, then jumped to the other side of the car to apply the product to the other side of the dash. I have tried this product by doing the entire dash all at once instead of stopping in the middle like I did on this Prius and I don't get the line but I do get the white haze. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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The above photos were taken in direct sun light so the gray plastic appears to be lighter in color than it actually is in the shade, but you can still see the white haze.

I just picked up a new client yesterday who has a Range Rover that is so clean that all I could really offer him was an application of Opti-Coat and a high end interior protectant. I have already made my mind up that I am not using UIGP with this customer's vehicle. After the Range Rover is done he'll be bringing me his high end Mercedes and Jaguars both to get corrected, Opti-Coated and a great interior protectant applied.

I need a suggestion for an out of this world interior protectant that has longevity of durability and stellar looks. Help me please, as I would like to order up the Opti-Coat and interior product this evening.

Thanks in advance for any insight on what the problem could be and for suggesting the next best product.
 
tuscarora dave said:
here's a few pictures of how the Toyota Prius dash turned out after having this issue.
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Hey Dave,

When I read the title of your thread I had to click on it to see what you're were working on.

Toyota Prius


I'm not a Prius expert but I think they try to use materials for the car that are made from other recycled materials OR the "new" raw materials they are using to make something like the dash skin or door panels is engineered to be easily recycled or broken down all to try to save the earth.

I remember teaching a couple of classes for the SoCal Prius clubs and about the only thing that didn't cause problems was the Meguiar's Quik Interior Detailer.

Meguiar's Quik Interior Detailer


Which is more of a light cleaner that leaves a little protection, not a true dressing.

BUT, when it comes to finicky surfaces, you have no control over, then you sometimes have to use what works and educate the customer if need be.

I could be wrong about this next tidbit but I think part of the push behind this product was to offer something that was so safe that it wouldn't screw up all the new "materials" being concocted in laboratories to make "green" cars. Just a guess...

I also remember there were issues using normal industry vinyl dressings on 350Z door panels and dashes. Again, some of the recipes for what is called "vinyle" might not actually be as good as the same type of vinyl used in days gone by...


At least the above is what I remember but it's been back to 2009 or earlier that I worked with the Prius people.


:)
 
If your looking for something offered by ag, the best I've seen in durability is duragloss 531, marine protectant.
 
Perfections said:
If your looking for something offered by ag, the best I've seen in durability is duragloss 531, marine protectant.
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Sometimes the problem or issue with working on some of the new high-tech materials being used for car interiors isn't durability, it's chemical compatibility.


A good rule of thumb whenever you're working on a new car that you have not worked on before, especially ANY area that the owner will stare at is to first test in an inconspicuous area.



:)
 
Two more comments...

Sometimes if you run into a product leaving a streaky, or mottled looking finish, a wipe using a water dampened microfiber towel can restore a uniform appearance.

Possibly add a little mild soap to the water like Woolite or even a hand soap.


Another tip is to try to stick with water-based cleaning and dressing products so you remove the risk of any harsh chemical solvents or just any solvents at all leaching into the vinyl, (or whatever it is now days), and drying it out or altering its appearance.


:)
 
I have a 2010 Prius and for my dash I used a Meg's supreme shine wipe I had and it made the dash black. I just wiped with a microfiber to reduce the gloss and it has held up for a while.

I'm sure there's better products but for the lease I have on the car im not complaining.
 
I had the same issue after applying uigp to my black door panels and dash in my 02 grand Cherokee.

I figured I had either applied too much product or didn't clean the surface well enough prior to application.
 
Thanks for the replies and the insight on the materials being used in the Prius. It's good to know that going forward from here. I am mainly concerned with finding a great interior product to order with the 2 syringes of Opti-Coat that I'll be purchasing tonight. I need the interior product for a Range Rover, Mercedes, Jaguar owner who is fussy about his interior looking it's best.

I have read a lot of good things about 1Z Cockpit Premium, I'll be pretty much taking a shot in the dark I guess. Can anyone recommend anything better than the 1Z or Duragloss offering? I'll be ordering when I get home from my designated driver duties tonight. (more likely tomorrow morning around 3 am)

If you have suggestions for an interior product that looks and performs awesome, please let me have them. Sorry to start a best product thread, because we all know how they can go.
 
Dave, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but maybe your prep should be UISG? Some of the guys were raving about it in another thread.

On the other hand, I know how some interior surfaces develop an uneven appearance which is frequently corrected by traditional dressings, perhaps the UIGP won't correct that unevenness because it's so "thin" and is more of a cross-linked sealant rather than an oily dressing sitting on top. Worth a call to Four Star (I know it messes up your order plans)?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Dave, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but maybe your prep should be UISG? Some of the guys were raving about it in another thread.

On the other hand, I know how some interior surfaces develop an uneven appearance which is frequently corrected by traditional dressings, perhaps the UIGP won't correct that unevenness because it's so "thin" and is more of a cross-linked sealant rather than an oily dressing sitting on top. Worth a call to Four Star (I know it messes up your order plans)?
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I'm open for all suggestions and ideas. This is after all how we learn and grow for the better, Thanks. I'd rather use nothing than something that's going to turn it white.
 
UIGP is solvent based so it probably is not very compatible with that dash and is harsh for it. Just a guess.

Like Mike mentioned, I would use something water based.

I maintain a few higher end Audi's, BMW's and Merc's and I always use 1z cockpit on them. Its leaves a great natural finish and is very very anti-static. If the drivers are non smokers, the finish will last a month easily.

for a richer finish I think the Wolfgang interior Vinyl/rubber protecant is incredible. Its such a nice product that is fool proof and is not all dark and tacky like 303.

I have used both on the german interiors. The nice thing about Audi/BMW/Merc is that the interiors (on the middle and higher models) are all soft touch dash's and panels. A lot of people dont know what there made out of, but I contacted Audi of America and BMW and found out the dash is actually a high rubber content as well as all the other soft touch panels. Pretty interesting I thought.

anyway, those are the 2 products I would recommend.
 
My thoughts: Try the UISG instead of the Megs APC. Maybe APC affected UIGP. I never had a problem with UIGP. I also switched from APC to OPC.

I have tried 1z and Meg's QID and feel and see no difference besides price.

Just poor the Meg's into a fancy boutique bottle for the high end cars.
 
I had problems with UISG on a ford fuzion I did a light cleaning with very mild apc. It just didn't look right when I was finished applying uigp, kinda hazy. I had just received my bottle of Iz deep plastic cleaner. I decided to strip it all off and reapply. That made all the difference in the world. I guess I hadn't prepped the surface good enough. With that product being a sealant tells me that if there is remnants of old dressing left it not going on uniformly.


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mg6045 said:
for a richer finish I think the Wolfgang interior Vinyl/rubber protecant is incredible. Its such a nice product that is fool proof and is not all dark and tacky like 303.
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Is that a white PDMS dressing like 303 and most others? Or is it something different?

A-train said:
I had problems with UISG on a ford fuzing. I did a light cleaning with very mild apc. It just didn't look right when I was finished, kinda hazy. I had just received my bottle of Iz deep plastic cleaner. I decided to strip it all off and reapply. That made all the difference in the world. I guess I hadn't prepped the surface good enough. With that product being a sealant tells me that if there is remnants of old dressing left it not going on uniformly.
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You're confusing me...you mention 3 cleaners and no protectants. Did you mean UIGP instead of UISG in the first sentence? If so, you are saying you had the same problem as Dave with the UIGP, but recleaned and then it went on ok?
 
I really like 1Z Cockpit Premium. I think it cleans better than Meguiar's QID and leaves a better look. The scent, however, kind of divides people. It is vaguely herbal but definitely kind of disinfectant/medicinal. I don't mind it but a few people seem to really dislike the odor. It does dissipate fairly quickly.

Auto Finesse Spritz is another good interior QD. The finish is closer to satin, a little darker and a touch shinier than 1Z's matte finish, however, it certainly isn't high gloss. The scent on the bottle I have is kind of vanilla/butterscotch but I understand that some batches had a banana scent.

DG 531 I use on door and window seals I haven't tried it on interiors. It works great on the seals.

I've heard some positive comments about both CG Inner Clean and Sonax Dashboard but haven't gotten around to trying either one. Werkstat Satin Prot also has some fans.

Poorboy's Natural Look I didn't care for.
 
I had the same issue with my 2010 Prius. I had applied it to the dash when the car was very hot and in the sun. I let the sun go down reapplied and all was well. The splochiness occurred after about 3 hours. No problem with the leather seats.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Is that a white PDMS dressing like 303 and most others? Or is it something different?



You're confusing me...you mention 3 cleaners and no protectants. Did you mean UIGP instead of UISG in the first sentence? If so, you are saying you had the same problem as Dave with the UIGP, but recleaned and then it went on ok?
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Yes your right. What I meant was I cleaned the dash first. Then I applied the UIGP, had the issues, then did a deeper cleaning. After using Deep plastic cleaner, and reapplying UIGP the issue cleared up. Sorry for the typo.


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I was thinking of using that product and asked about it (see earlier thread) and was told it was much more serious product than a normal interior detailer. I was led to believe it was to the inside of a car what Opti-Coat is to the outside.

I don't want to fool with either one.
 
mg6045 said:
UIGP is solvent based so it probably is not very compatible with that dash and is harsh for it. Just a guess.

Like mike mentioned, I would use something water based.

I maintain a few higher end Audi's, BMW's and Merc's and I always use 1z cockpit on them. Its leaves a great natural finish and is very very anti-static. If the drivers are non smokers, the finish will last a month easily.

for a richer finish I think the Wolfgang interior Vinyl/rubber protecant is incredible. Its such a nice product that is fool proof and is not all dark and tacky like 303.

I have used both on the german interiors. The nice thing about Audi/BMW/Merc is that the interiors (on the middle and higher models) are all soft touch dash's and panels. A lot of people dont know what there made out of, but I contacted Audi of America and BMW and found out the dash is actually a high rubber content as well as all the other soft touch panels. Pretty interesting I thought.

anyway, those are the 2 products I would recommend.
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I have used 303, 1Z, UIGP, PB NL on my A6. My favorite is UIGP for low gloss and silky smooth feel.
 
feslope said:
I had the same issue with my 2010 Prius. I had applied it to the dash when the car was very hot and in the sun. I let the sun go down reapplied and all was well. The splochiness occurred after about 3 hours. No problem with the leather seats.
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That's the word to describe what I've seen on the vinyl on some new cars.


Ugh...



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