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Hi,

I just purchased a Flex 3401. I have not used any kind of machine polisher before.
I have a 1995 Red 3000GT VR4 that has some oxidization that I want to correct.

Been doing some reading and it seems that an AIO is a good choice to remove oxidization. I am just not sure which pads to use? Bear in mind I'm a beginner!

I've seen some recommendations on a wool pad. Would this be ok for a beginner?

Thanks for any advice you can give.
Nick
 
Also, I've seen a lot of people using the smaller backing plate. What are the benefits to this? I assume to get in to smaller areas. But the smaller pads seem cheaper too, which might save money?
 
Hi,

I just purchased a Flex 3401. I have not used any kind of machine polisher before.
I have a 1995 Red 3000GT VR4 that has some oxidization that I want to correct.

Been doing some reading and it seems that an AIO is a good choice to remove oxidization. I am just not sure which pads to use? Bear in mind I'm a beginner!

I've seen some recommendations on a wool pad. Would this be ok for a beginner?

Thanks for any advice you can give.
Nick
i would probably go with optimum poly seal or optimum gps and no wool pads unless you got some junk panels to practice on.
 
Hi,

I just purchased a Flex 3401. I have not used any kind of machine polisher before.
I have a 1995 Red 3000GT VR4 that has some oxidization that I want to correct.

That is a very cool car, when they first came out I was drooling over them...

Do you have a picture of it?



Been doing some reading and it seems that an AIO is a good choice to remove oxidization. I am just not sure which pads to use? Bear in mind I'm a beginner!

If you just want to do a one-step process then a good one-step cleaner/wax also called an AIO is a great way to go, I would recommend taking a look at XMT 360 if the paint is not too badly oxidized.

See what I did to this severely oxidized Toyota Highlander using tools no where near as efficient as the Flex 3401


KISS Detail - Extreme Makeover - Toyota Highlander


I've seen some recommendations on a wool pad. Would this be ok for a beginner?

Thanks for any advice you can give.
Nick

If your 3000 GT only has light oxidation you'll get a better finish using a foam pad.

The backing plate that comes with the Flex 3401 is 5.5" in diameter so you can safely use 6.5" pads with it and we carry a a whole slew of 6.5" pads.

I would look at the Lake Country open cell Flat Pads, you can probably do the job with 2-3 white polishing pads.

6.5" Lake Country Flat Pads


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You can see some multiple step process being done tomorrow night using the Flex 3401 on a very curvy red 1948 Cadillac and watch from the comfort of your home.

I can have Yancy bring the boom camera in for some close shots as I'll be teaching a couple of guys new to machine polishing how to use the Flex 3401 with 5" pads.

See this thread,


New 5" Hybrid Pads on Flex 3401



Here's the new 5" Hybrid Pads that fit the 4" backing plate adapter for the Flex 3401 or any 4" backing plate for rotary buffers.

We'll be using these pads on this week's Live Video Broadcast.

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Check it out...

Thursday, June 12th starting at 5:00pm




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Thank you for the answers, Mike. Much appreciated. I'll be sure to post a few pics of the VR4, hopefully some good before and afters.
 
:welcome: To Autogeek Online Nick!

The Flex 3401 is an amazing machine and one I'll never be without. It's engineering and build quality is unsurpassed and "the" machine all others are compared to...

The Flex 3401 is right at home with 6 1/2" pads. Its powerful motor combined with forced rotation reduces correction times and you won't have to worry about applying just the right pressure to keep the pad rotating....

The Flex 3401
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I dont want to highjack the thread. However, I was considering buying a flex also so I figured I would mention it here instead of starting a new thread.

I assume the flex is ok for beginners. My car is new and in great condition my wifes car is not and has some scratch marks.

What type of pads, polishes, etc should I buy to use with the flex?

I will search some other threads to find answers to my many other questions I have. I am use to doing the basics such as claying and applying a sealant. I have no idea where to start with the flex or how it works into the every 4 to 5 month clay, seal process.

I feel like I will be stepping into another world with the flex and would hate to jack up my new ride lol. I plan on practicing on the wifes car lol.

Thanks in advance.
 
While the Flex 3401 is somewhat larger than the Porter Cable 7424 style polisher but it's easy to operate and has no more of a learning curve than its smaller counterpart.

The Flex 3401 works well with both the 6 1/2" and 5 1/2" pads providing you use the appropriate backing plate.

You'll use the exact same compounds, polishes, cleaners' sealants, and waxes as you would with any other polisher...

Strictly products

Wash - Duragloss #901
Clay - Meguiar’s Clay
Compound - PG 1000 – PowerGloss Compound (POS34A)
Polish - PF 2500 – Power Finish Polish (PO203)
Finishing Polish - SF 4000 – Super Finish Polish (PO106FA)
1-Step - Duragloss 501
Sealant -Duragloss 105 TPP
Duragloss 601 Bonding Agent
Wax - Collinite 845
Spray Wax -Optimum Spray Car Wax
Tire Cleaner - Meguiar's Super Degreaser
Tire Treatment - CarPro PERL
Trim - Ultima Tire and Trim Guard
Wheel Cleaner - Meguiar's Wheel Brightener
Wheel Protectant -Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0
Glass Cleaner - Meguiar's Glass Cleaner
Glass Treatment - Aquapel
All Purpose Cleaner - Optimum Power Clean
Interior Protectant - Meguiar’s M40
Chrome & Stainless Steel - BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Metal Acrylic Sealant
 
Thanks BobbyG, appreciate the info.

So the white pads will be enough? I'll probably get a couple of orange pads and a couple of greys too. The grey is best for applying sealer/wax?
 
Sorry for all the questions. Should I go with the CCS or Flat pads? Any advantage with either for removing oxidization?
 
Sorry for all the questions. Should I go with the CCS or Flat pads? Any advantage with either for removing oxidization?
Flats over the CCS,
Take a hard look at the new hybrids, they seem very interesting to me. Brand new product so not much out there on them yet that I know of.
 
So the white pads will be enough? I'll probably get a couple of orange pads and a couple of greys too. The grey is best for applying sealer/wax?

Yes.

Orange = For neglected paint and severe defect removal
White = Overall polishing or use with a one-step cleaner/wax
Gray = Application of a finishing polish or a finishing wax/sealant by machine.



Sorry for all the questions. Should I go with the CCS or Flat pads? Any advantage with either for removing oxidization?

The pad face design is the least of your worries, good chemicals, a good tool and good technique are the most important factors.

Flat pad face designs are the easiest to learn how to use and are easier to clean. They also work best with diminishing abrasive compounds and polishes.

The first foam pad ever created was a flat pad design.

In 1965 Meguiar's introduced the first foam buffing pad for use in place of a wool cutting or wool finishing pad; this enabled a person to create a more swirl-free finish by getting away from the individual fibers that make up a wool or fiber type buffing pad.

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While it's no longer in any condition to buff out a car the picture kind of relays the idea of a long time, as in the Wooless Wonder was introduced a long time ago and since then we've continued to bring out new and innovative buffing pads for professionals, detailers and enthusiasts.

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For perspective, Gilligan's Island debuted in 1965 in Black & White and in 1965, Ford introduced the Mustang. (technically in 1964 1/2)

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That all said, I can get show car results using any face design foam pad as can anyone else as long as they are using good abrasive technology and good technique.


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Thanks BobbyG, appreciate the info.

So the white pads will be enough? I'll probably get a couple of orange pads and a couple of greys too. The grey is best for applying sealer/wax?

Here's some great information by Mike Phillips that will help you. :props:



Foam Pads

Yellow Cutting Foam - Use this pad to apply compounds or polishes to remove severe oxidation, swirls, and scratches. It is the most aggressive and should only be used on oxidized and older finishes. Always follow this pad with an orange or white pad and a fine polish to refine the paint until it is smooth.

Coarse Green Cutting/Polishing - This foam is of medium density with the ability to level very fine scratches and very light oxidation. Use light swirl removers with this pad.

Orange Light Cutting Foam - Firm, high density foam for scratch and defect removal. Use this pad with polishes and swirl removers. It’s an all around pad that will work on most light to moderate imperfections.

White Polishing Foam - Less dense foam formula for the application of waxes, micro-fine polishes and sealants. This pad has very light cutting power so it’s perfect for pre-wax cleaners.

Green Polishing/Finishing Foam - Use this foam to apply one-step cleaner waxes. It is a balance of polishing and finishing that is perfect for all-in-one product application.

Gray Finishing Foam Pad - Composition is firm enough to withstand added pressure during final finishing to remove buffer swirls. It has no cut and will apply thin, even coats of waxes, sealants, and glazes.

Blue Finessing Foam – Pad has soft composition for applying glaze, finishing polish, sealants, and liquid waxes. Flat pad provides full contact with paint surface to minimize the pressure applied by the user.

Red Ultra-soft Wax/Sealant Foam - This soft, imported foam is ideal for applying the final coat of wax or sealant. The foam works especially well when applying liquid waxes or sealants because it is firm enough to keep the majority of the product on the paint, rather than soaking it up. The red foam has no cut or cleaning ability.

Super Soft Gold Jewelling Foam - The CCS Super Soft Gold Jewelling Pad is made of Lake Country's softest foam. Use the gold pad to apply a very fine polish or glaze as the final step of the polishing process. Jewelling is the term coined for this step because it intensifies gloss and reflectivity, like a jewel. The gold foam pad also works well for wax and sealant application.


The Porter Cable 7424 style dual action polisher should come standard with 5 1/2 inch pads and corresponding backing plate.

Pads & Friction

The size or surface area does not directly affect the frictional force between two surfaces until downward force or pressure is applied. Reducing the pad size will only improve the mechanical efficiency of the machine.

The motor of your polisher produces some amount of power. The larger the pad surface area the harder the motor must work. Now, most will say "it's only 1 extra inch", but when it comes to surface area and friction your really talking about an additional 10 square inches. Now take a look at the difference between the 5 1/2", 6 1/2" and 7" pad...........Size does matter!

Surface Area - 5 1/2 pad = 23.75 in²
Surface Area - 6 1/2 pad = 33.18 in²
Surface Area - 7 pad = 38.484 in²

There is a direct relationship between the pad surface area and the polishers ability to transfer adequate power to the pad improving it's overall performance.
 
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