D151 vs D300 $$$

[AutowerxDetailing]

Simple question:

WHY is D300 so much MORE expensive than D151??? They are both using the same type of SMAT technology IIRC. So why the huge price difference?

 

[Hoytman]

Isn't D300 more comparable to M105? D300 has way more cut than D151, which is an AIO IIRC.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...anted-know-about-meguiar-s-smat-products.html

My comments...

D151 PRC is a a one-step cleaner/wax for primarily high volume, production detailing work. This would include, Brick & Mortar Detail Shops, Mobile Detailers and Car Washes that offer car detailing as a service.

D151 is considered a strong cleaner/wax and the word strong here is relative, in the context in which it's being used it means it has enough abrading ability to tackle neglected and abused paint and remove a majority of the medium to shallow swirls and scratches with one well-worked application usually by machine although it can be used by hand. Strong doesn't mean it's going to remove 100% of all below surface defects, even with more than one application as some defects are too deep to remove safely.

The D300 will fit in-between the Ultimate Compound and the Solo M86 and the D301 would be either in front of M205 or behind it.

 

[Hoytman]

Thanks Vegas. I've probably read that before, but I certainly had forgotten about it.

It does seem strange though that you hear people compare M105 and D300 with a given pad choice when comparing compounds when they're so different in cut per Mike's article.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

d 300 is looking like smat will have to check to be sure

I don't know the science behind it but 151 may be an older product than d 300 which is for mf pads system

also 151, like most products for fast paced recon and production shops are usually lower priced


all this is speculation on my part as I've never usd either and don't follow Megs line

should get some great, informed answers from the 5am crowd

 

[AutowerxDetailing]

Isn't D300 more comparable to M105? D300 has way more cut than D151, which is an AIO IIRC.

That's kind of what I was wondering. If it is comparable to M105 but just easier to use I could justify the price. I have about 1/2 gallon of D151 left and was considering switching to D300 but it just seems like such a huge price difference. I actually like D151 with MF pads but I want something with a little more cutting ability. I don't really like how M105 acts with MF pads... it sort of gums up on me. Maybe I need to play with it more.

Anyone used both D151 and D300 that can comment on the differences between how they behave in terms of cut, dusting, etc?

 

[itay]

D151 on MF pad is a nice way to go over a car fast.

as to which has more cut? if i have some time maybe next week i can try and answer as i have both.

 

[jrs1418]

I use both D151 and D300 on a daily basis.

D151 is a one step polish & protect where 300 is pure cut polish. D151 IS strong! It does a great job on waterspots. I used with MF pads or foam on a DA.

Protection on D151 isnt too durable from my research so I always top off with a sealant.

from most abrasive to least I think:

d300>m105>D151>M205

D300 will get 2000 grit sand marks relatively easy, D151 barely touches them on most paint.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

Isn't D300 more comparable to M105? D300 has way more cut than D151, which is an AIO IIRC.
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Bill

I use both D151 and D300 on a daily basis.

D151 is a one step polish & protect where 300 is pure cut polish. D151 IS strong! It does a great job on waterspots. I used with MF pads or foam on a DA.

Protection on D151 isnt too durable from my research so I always top off with a sealant.

from most abrasive to least I think:

d300>m105>D151>M205

D300 will get 2000 grit sand marks relatively easy, D151 barely touches them on most paint.

I see what you're saying, thanks for the clarification but the 300 is out of place in the line-up

Originally Posted by Mikey P.
The D300 will fit in-between the Ultimate Compound and the Solo M86 and the D301 would be either in front of M205 or behind it.

 

[Hoytman]

Isn't D300 more comparable to M105? D300 has way more cut than D151, which is an AIO IIRC.

That's kind of what I was wondering. If it is comparable to M105 but just easier to use I could justify the price. I have about 1/2 gallon of D151 left and was considering switching to D300 but it just seems like such a huge price difference. I actually like D151 with MF pads but I want something with a little more cutting ability. I don't really like how M105 acts with MF pads... it sort of gums up on me. Maybe I need to play with it more.

Anyone used both D151 and D300 that can comment on the differences between how they behave in terms of cut, dusting, etc?

Actually, I made an assumption based on what some people have said. However, according to Mike Phillip's article...post 36 which is dated June 6, 2012 found here http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ted-know-about-meguiar-s-smat-products-2.html says that D300 and M105 aren't even close to each other.

Here's what Mike said...

I'll update this thread because it's important to me, but probably won't get to it today.

SwirlX is discontinued or is going to be discontinued and a number of new products have been added that use SMAT

The D300 will fit in-between the Ultimate Compound and the Solo M86 and the D301 would be either in front of M205 or behind it.

So it looks like my earlier post was an assumption based on here-say and was wrong. I'm okay with that.

Hope that helps ya. I learned something.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

Excellent legwork, so I'm assuming no dusting isuue then?

Anyways, I do have to go.

Hope that you get all your answers OP.

 

[rwright]

If you are looking for more cut and protection, take a look at Duragloss #671 Swirl Mark Remover. Retail price is between D300 and D151.

 

[jrs1418]

I see what you're saying, thanks for the clarification but the 300 is out of place in the line-up

Originally Posted by Mikey P.
The D300 will fit in-between the Ultimate Compound and the Solo M86 and the D301 would be either in front of M205 or behind it.

D301 is pure wax, i dont think there's any cut to it at all. And in my limited experience with it, it doesnt last long. But i'm in a harsh envirnment with UV, rain, and salt air.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

D301 is pure wax, i dont think there's any cut to it at all. And in my limited experience with it, it doesnt last long. But i'm in a harsh envirnment with UV, rain, and salt air.

D301 has light abrasives in it to clean up any hazing from D300, as well as a sealant, making it an AIO. My limited experience with its durability is it's great in the rain, but the first wash seems to significantly effect the beading.

As far as the topic, the comparable D30X product to D151 is D301, the regular prices of which are identical here at AG, the current sale prices for both has D151 slightly more.

Comparing D300 to M105, which is the more "correct" comparison, the D300 is a few dollars more expensive at regular price, but the sale price right now is the same for both.

 

[jrs1418]

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was pure protection as i never noticed any correction with it as I do with D151. D151 is an awesome 1 step imo.

 

[AutowerxDetailing]

D151 on MF pad is a nice way to go over a car fast.

I agree. D151 + Megs MF is what I use now for all of my 1-step details.

I use both D151 and D300 on a daily basis.

D151 is a one step polish & protect where 300 is pure cut polish. D151 IS strong! It does a great job on waterspots. I used with MF pads or foam on a DA.

Protection on D151 isnt too durable from my research so I always top off with a sealant.

from most abrasive to least I think:

d300>m105>D151>M205

D300 will get 2000 grit sand marks relatively easy, D151 barely touches them on most paint.

Thanks for clearing that up. Of the products you listed the only one I haven't tried yet is D300. I had no idea it was that comparable to M105.

Excellent legwork, so I'm assuming no dusting isuue then?

Anyways, I do have to go.

Hope that you get all your answers OP.

Thanks Vegas! That's why I love this forum. So many active and helpful members!!!

If you are looking for more cut and protection, take a look at Duragloss #671 Swirl Mark Remover. Retail price is between D300 and D151.

Thanks for the recommendation! I haven't tried anything from the Duragloss line. I will have to grab a bottle with my next order.

D301 has light abrasives in it to clean up any hazing from D300, as well as a sealant, making it an AIO. My limited experience with its durability is it's great in the rain, but the first wash seems to significantly effect the beading.

As far as the topic, the comparable D30X product to D151 is D301, the regular prices of which are identical here at AG, the current sale prices for both has D151 slightly more.

Comparing D300 to M105, which is the more "correct" comparison, the D300 is a few dollars more expensive at regular price, but the sale price right now is the same for both.

Thanks Setec! I didn't know that D301 had any abrasives or cleaners in it. I will probably just have to get a small bottle of each to see how they work. I am trying to buy in gallons whenever I can but it's hard to make such a large purchase if I have never used the product before... Would you say that D301 isn't needed if I am already using and enjoying D151?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Would you say that D301 isn't needed if I am already using and enjoying D151?

I haven't used D151, but D301 is pretty wimpy on its own. You can use it to gloss something up, but it doesn't do much correction. By the same token, the D300 takes you pretty much to a finish point on a lot of paints, just like M105 does in some cases.

 

[tuscarora dave]

D-151 uses SMAT abrasives but I would believe a very small amount of them in comparison to D-300. Over time I have worked my way through about a half gallon of D-151 and would say that it's pretty much pad dependent where cutting paint defects are a concern. Even with a wool pad it takes quite some time to cut defects with D-151 and I never just go with wool and stop there so D-151 for me would be either for it's cheap cleaning/light polishing ability for certain clean & shine only jobs such as on large trailers or buses etc. where a cleaning and wax application would be done in one step, or on used car dealership quick turnarounds.

 

[Flannigan]

D300 is an awesome product. It cuts a lot more than D151 and finishes almost perfectly on most finishes. As long as you aren't working on super soft paint, you can use D300 as a one step a lot of times. On'y down side is you do have to top it. As for dusting, it does dust, but nowhere near as much as most compounds like M105 or FG500.

 

[jrs1418]

Sorry mis-read..