Junkman's, The Mother of All "How to Fix Your Paint for Novices" Thread!

[Junkman2008]

Thanks Junkman. I watched your videos in this thread and found them to be very helpful.

Thanks for watching. :xyxthumbs:

 

[Hoytman]

I almost started my "Trashed Trailblazer" (thread name here at AG...do a search for it) project today. The reason I didn't is because the panels had already heated up beyond my comfort zone...granted it's only in the high 60's right now, but the hood was hot to the touch. So, I came inside and logged in.

After reading the last few posts to this thread, I'm glad I decided to wait. Not so much because I'm afraid of working on heating panels, albeit that is one reason since I'm not that experienced, but I have other things to do and it would make more sense to wait until I'm more comfortable with panel temps, and when I can stay at work on this project until it's finished.

Mike,
You asked me where I was at on this project a week or so ago. I had been waiting on getting a better camera to begin the project. I have the camera now and I can tell you that the paint is far worse than previously thought.

After finishing some other projects today I think I'll wash the Trailblazer and take some pictures of the hood. You aren't going to believe the swirls for one. Then there are these horendous RIDS that look like someone tried (and succeeded) to scuff and/or scour the hood.

Around those RIDS and scuff (or sanding) marks I am concerned now about yet another issued...clear coat failure. I'll see what I can do about getting more pics up in the next day or so. This Trailblazer is a hacked up mess I'm finding.

I also picked up some touch up paint at the paint supply store for some of the worst spots. I'm going to wash it, take some pics, do some touch-up work with touch-up paint, then let it sit for a week or so to harden before starting the polishing work. Most likely will be some sanding work as well...and I'm going to need some guidance.

 

[Hoytman]

It would be nice if someone would do a video demonstrating working on dark, heated, panels with M105/M205. I think this would help some of us with less experience. After-all, perfect conditions don't always exist and many of us don't have a garage to use (I have access to a nice, big, garage).

 

[Junkman2008]

... I also picked up some touch up paint at the paint supply store for some of the worst spots. I'm going to wash it, take some pics, do some touch-up work with touch-up paint, then let it sit for a week or so to harden before starting the polishing work. Most likely will be some sanding work as well...and I'm going to need some guidance.

Before you do any touch up paint work, you may want to watch a few of my wet sanding videos. I am in no way suggesting that you do any wet sanding as I am not privy to your level of expertise. However, I have seen a lot of cases where people have used touch up paint and made the damage look much worse and more noticeable. Just something to consider.

 

[Junkman2008]

It would be nice if someone would do a video demonstrating working on dark, heated, panels with M105/M205. I think this would help some of us with less experience. After-all, perfect conditions don't always exist and many of us don't have a garage to use (I have access to a nice, big, garage).

Isn't that what Mike posted?

 

[mackey]

love the kiss method and the belief that above all, proper fundamentals make the biggest difference.

thanks for all the how-to's

 

[Hoytman]

Before you do any touch up paint work, you may want to watch a few of my wet sanding videos. I am in no way suggesting that you do any wet sanding as I am not privy to your level of expertise. However, I have seen a lot of cases where people have used touch up paint and made the damage look much worse and more noticeable. Just something to consider.

I have done very little wet-sanding by machine and most of my experience is by hand which stll isn't much. Not enough to say that I am experienced. However, I've always been good with my hands and can follow examples thoroughly. I'm not afraid to try though.

I'll most likely post pictures again before I'd attempt any sanding work so that I can get proper advice. This is factory paint as well and I need to get a paint guage.

I will certainly check out your videos as well as Mike's.

Isn't that what Mike posted?

Not sure. I was in a hurry and skipped most of his last post. I don't think I've seen anyone document their technique on video on hot panels with the products I mentioned.

 

[Junkman2008]

... Not sure. I was in a hurry and skipped most of his last post. I don't think I've seen anyone document their technique on video on hot panels with the products I mentioned.

Maybe not with the products mentioned but Mike definitely went into the "technique" of dealing with just that exact scenario. As I said in my videos over and over, technique trumps product so you can take the advice that both of us posted and apply it to ANY product brand. :xyxthumbs:

 

[Djshadyad6]

A novice should never work in that arena as it will affect their learning experience in a negative way, causing them to develop working habits that will either frustrate them or impact their effectiveness when it comes to paint correction. Because I do so many car shows, I had no choice but I had to learn how to work on a hot car in direct sunlight. It is definitely NOT the way I do things if I can avoid it. It's way more headache than I care to deal with.[/QUOTE]

Cool I got cha. I just ordered the art of detailing book and DVD. And I plan on taking mikes class in January to learn more about technique. This forum and your junkman videos on youtube are awesome. Thank you guys for taking time out your busy schedules to help out us noobies. I did detailing at a simoniz in my area a few years ago. And I just want to get back into it with a mobile set up.

 

[silverfox]

What is fascinating by all this...is the fact that you literally only need a DA with 2 inexpensive, easy to find polishing products and pads (with proper technique)...to correct just about ANY paint.

As Junkman said, there are many ways to get the same results FASTER, but none that are as safe and effective.

Now just top with CG Blacklight and V7, and you are golden baby.

 

[Junkman2008]

... Now just top with CG Blacklight and V7, and you are golden baby.

And that's the thing about finish it all up. You have another hundred different choices of ways to go with wax. :xyxthumbs:

 

[Kinalyx]

What kills me is that you are pointing out how all i need is my trusty PC and less than $70 of product(before protection) to get my paint perfect, and ive spent nearly $1000 just because i have issues.

Stop telling me im wasting money!!!! lol If anything, tell me i need more crap.

Shawn

 

[Junkman2008]

What kills me is that you are pointing out how all i need is my trusty PC and less than $70 of product(before protection) to get my paint perfect, and ive spent nearly $1000 just because i have issues.

Stop telling me im wasting money!!!! lol If anything, tell me i need more crap.

Shawn

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

That made me laugh!

Keep in mind that companies in this business are in it to make money. Thus, the more they get you to buy, the better it is for them. Hey, that's the free enterprise system and I fully support it. But not everyone has money coming out the wazoo, especially my fellow armed forces personnel and folks in college. So I want to make this process as painless and cost effective as possible. In reality, it really is that cheap. After all, most of us just want a shiny car. We're not trying to get a degree in Shineology or open a detailing franchise. :xyxthumbs:

 

[beantown]

Your the man Junkman

Not sure if these are the same series, but I remember watching one of your videos, and you were completely sidetracked by some hot girl walking by your garage. lol hilarious.

Keep it up rops:

 

[LF911PCR]

You gotta luv the Junkman....

Thanks for taking the time to put this (and all your other videos) video together.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Junkman,

Did you ever attend any of my Meguiar's classes in Irvine? They started in 2002.

Just wondering because I used the same line drawing showing a horizontal view of paint plus the scratches on the white board for years.

Then we installed a overhead projector and I simply put the graphic in my Power Point Presentation...


It's an effective way to explain to people new to machine polishing paint what it means to remove a scratch.


Here's an article that I wrote that dates back to 2005 showing a similar graphic...

What it means to remove a scratch out of anything...

:xyxthumbs:

 

[Kinalyx]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

That made me laugh!

Keep in mind that companies in this business are in it to make money. Thus, the more they get you to buy, the better it is for them. Hey, that's the free enterprise system and I fully support it. But not everyone has money coming out the wazoo, especially my fellow armed forces personnel and folks in college. So I want to make this process as painless and cost effective as possible. In reality, it really is that cheap. After all, most of us just want a shiny car. We're not trying to get a degree in Shineology or open a detailing franchise. :xyxthumbs:

Where can i get said degree....i wants it!!

Shawn

 

[Junkman2008]

Your the man Junkman

Not sure if these are the same series, but I remember watching one of your videos, and you were completely sidetracked by some hot girl walking by your garage. lol hilarious.

Keep it up rops:

I could post pictures of some of the hotties walking past my garage but man, I would get banned! :laughing:

You gotta luv the Junkman....

Thanks for taking the time to put this (and all your other videos) video together.

Thanks for watching!

Junkman,

Did you ever attend any of my Meguiar's classes in Irvine? They started in 2002.

Just wondering because I used the same line drawing showing a horizontal view of paint plus the scratches on the white board for years.

Then we installed a overhead projector and I simply put the graphic in my Power Point Presentation...


It's an effective way to explain to people new to machine polishing paint what it means to remove a scratch.

Mike, that's a great way to explain it. :xyxthumbs:

I left California in 1991, just before the riots so I haven't attended any of your clinics at this point. Before I started doing my own and frequenting forums, I didn't know that folks where putting them on (talk about out of touch)! I only found out about forums somewhere around 2007. Back when I was first learning this stuff, there was no public Internet. I spent time at at a detail shop in Downey, CA, but I was too busy chasing skirts to take it seriously. Plus, I only wanted to fix my car so I wasn't there for the money (I was a cop in LA at the time). It was what I learned from my father and all the detailing that I learned in CA that got me started on my way to where I am today, all because I bought my first new car back in 1988.

I have seen that graphic on the Internet somewhere and as you said, it is a very effective way of describing paint correction. If I understood at first glance, I knew most others would also. If you are the creator then I owe you the credit. I did see a video you did with the PC some years ago and that was when I decided to give the PC a try. Up until then, I was a rotary and wool pad guy. I was using my father's Snap-On buffer, which weighed a ton. Trying to teach a novice to use that thing was next to impossible so seeing the PC and having a desire to teach is what motivated me to start making my videos. I was already teaching college computer courses and I couldn't get enough of causing people to want to learn. I've always said that it was you who introduced me to the PC and what it was capable of. Up until then, I thought that thing was a door stop. I use to say that I could scare swirls out of paint faster than I could remove them with a orbital sander. I was seriously in "old school" mode. :laughing:

Where can i get said degree....i wants it!!

Shawn

Keep hanging around these detailing forums and one day you'll wake up like Neo did in the Matrix and say, "I know Shineology."

I'll be there and reply back, "Show me." :laughing:

 

[Audi X2]

I think we need a 'Junkman meets Mike Phillips instructional video'
This would be very entertaining and informative to say the least!

AJ perhaps you would consider making the Trek to Detail Fest next March?? I think a good time will be had by all :xyxthumbs:

 

[Junkman2008]

I think we need a 'Junkman meets Mike Phillips instructional video'
This would be very entertaining and informative to say the least!

AJ perhaps you would consider making the Trek to Detail Fest next March?? I think a good time will be had by all :xyxthumbs:

What and where is this "Detail Fest" you speak of???