The Boss is Here - Menzerna FG-400 Has Arrived!

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The Boss is Here - Menzerna FG-400 Has Arrived!


What a better way to kick off a Friday! We received a special shipment from Germany today (no, it wasn't a 52 foot trailer filled with FLEX polishers) that consisted of the new Menzerna Fast Gloss FG-400 Compound. :applause:


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Menzerna Fast Gloss 400 Compound (FG400) is the long anticipated new compound from Menzerna Polishing Compounds that was designed to deliver the fast cutting action of a compound with the finish and workability of a polish. Menzerna Fast Gloss 400 Compound will quickly become an asset to the professional reconditioning industry with its ability to effortlessly remove 1200 grit sanding marks, heavy scratches, swirls and oxidation on all paint systems while leaving a high gloss finish that is not typically expected from a compound.

Menzerna Polishing Compounds made it clear to their engineers during the early development stages of Fast Gloss 400 Compound; this compound needed to have a tremendous amount of cut while finishing out better than most medium-cut polishes. Most challenging of all, it had to be user friendly so beginners and professionals alike could reap the benefits. It was a feat to overcome but the masterminds at Menzerna successfully came through and the result is the long-anticipated Fast Gloss 400 Compound; a true compound that finishes better than most medium-cut polishes. What’s more, Fast Gloss 400 Compound delivers a working time that will put a smile on the faces of professional detailers.

What does this mean for you? Another new cutting edge compound to add to your arsenal of detailing supplies. If you've already pre-ordered a bottle (or two ;) ) it will be shipping out shortly. :dblthumb2:

Menzerna Fast Gloss Compound (FG-400) 16 oz.

Menzerna Fast Gloss Compound (FG-400) 32 oz.

Menzerna Fast Gloss Compound (FG-400) 128 oz.

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Ok, let me be the first to ask. Is it a SMAT abrasive that allows the "feat" of having a "tremendous amount of cut while finishing out better than most medium-cut polishes"?
 
How does this differ from FG500 besides being available in the US?
 
When can we expect to be able to buy it, without pre ordering?
 
Another question here - is FG400 designed to work with a DA poilsher as well?
 
Just got off the phone with Jeff Silver, the President of Menzerna U.S.A.

I told him about this thread and how there's a lot of excitement and questions about the product and here's the skinny...

The new 400 Fast Gloss Compound is rated at being able to remove down to #1200 grit sanding marks, my guess is that because this is a Pro Grade product, that is the original market this product is formulated for and intended to be sold into and used is is primarily body shops where they are sanding and buffing on FRESH PAINT that means the #1200 grit level statement applies to fresh paint, not cured paint or factory paint.

This is an important distinction because it's a lot easier to remove ANY scratch pattern out of fresh/soft paint than it is cured/hard paint.

It gets it's cutting ability from primarily higher quality, more expensive abrasive technology together with a chemical cutter.

Now follow me on this, there's less abrasives by volume in the FG 400 Fast Gloss Compound than in both FG 500 and PG 1000 PowerGloss Compound. Yet it cuts faster with less dusting and finishes better due to the,

  • Quality of abrasive technology
  • Quality of chemical cutter
  • Precise control over abrasive particle size

Besides that, Jeff says it's the investment of a lot of laboratory work and engineering behind the product that resulted in this new compound formula.

The low and lack of dusting issue is directly related to the lower volume of abrasives, less abrasives equals less dusting. The cut and finish ability is achieved through higher quality abrasives with uniform particle size and distribution within the complex emulsion mix.


Is it SMAT or DAT? Menzerna isn't' saying. Anything you read or hear from anyone else is speculation and in my opinion in not relevant because in the big picture you're going to pour out a bead of product onto the paint to use with a rotary buffer or apply some to the face of the pad on a DA Polisher and get to work.

How it's made is certainly interesting and I'm always just as curious as the next guy about abrasive technology, a case can even be made that I'm more curious. But at the end of the day the only really important factor is the results you achieve and the performance of the product, not what's in the bottle.


My buddy Carlos is bringing me a black car today and I'm going to do a little test spot using a few different tools and pads and is the norm I'll take some video and some pictures and share them on the forum.

Anyone want to take a guess on what kind of black car?

One thing's for sure though... I'm going to put this new compound to the test and share my findings...


I like Menzerna polishes and my hopes are high that this is going to be a great new addition to their line.


:xyxthumbs:
 
Might have to include some of this in my next order - my M105 is basically gone. :xyxthumbs:
 
I'd be interested to see how this stacks up to M101, which is just now being introduced to the American market. They're both heavy compounds, can be used with any machine, and are said to finish down nicely. This is getting interesting.
 
Mike and everyone else, you will be amazed by how glossy your surface will be after compounding. Can't describe it, you will have to see it for yourself to believe it!!!

Amazing polish!!!
 
Mike,

how does this compare to the M101? (is fg400 the direct competitor compared to megs m101?
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Is it SMAT or DAT? Menzerna isn't' saying. Anything you read or hear from anyone else is speculation and in my opinion in not relevant because in the big picture you're going to pour out a bead of product onto the paint to use with a rotary buffer or apply some to the face of the pad on a DA Polisher and get to work.
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Why wouldn't Menzerna comment on this question? I am just now reading through the differences between SMAT & DAT. From what I have read, it would make a great deal of difference for DA users. From my understanding KBM only applies to SMAT products so how are we to know which techniques we should apply to this compound. Besides, of course, extensive testing done on our own.

Where, as you said:
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
U.S. V.O.C. compliant
More advanced abrasive technology
More advanced chemical cutter technology
More engineering behind the formula
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Which means
Some of our own testing and research could be skipped by knowing more about this product from the manufacturer.

Personal note
I love having an abundance of information from the manufacturer. It is one of the reasons I am using so many Gtechniq products.
Is it that Menzerna doesn't want their competition to reverse engineer their product as quickly?

While I understand not releasing an actual formulation:
What is Menzerna gaining bynot releasing, what I would consider, basic information?

Then again:
Maybe I am wrong about huge differences between SMAT & DAT
 
TrKent said:
While I understand not releasing an actual formulation:
What is Menzerna gaining by not releasing, what I would consider, basic information?
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Hey all great questions and I'm just playing the part of the messenger...


A long time ago when the rage was to sift through MSD sheets and try to play the part of chemist and at that time an older and wiser friend of mine told me,


Keep the focus on the performance of the product, not what's in the bottle...



He was right back then and he's still right today. I understand a certain number of people in the forum world are always going to want all the information they can get, completely understand that, been in many a thread like this in the past.

Not sure what else to tell you. I like Gtechniq products also but I also like Menzerna products and I base my "like" for these products on how they perform, not a list of ingredients.


Not sure what else to tell you... :dunno:


Here's what I know... I'm chomping at the bits to try this out but at the same time I'm waiting for a worthy car to work on...


:)
 
rock012345 said:
Mike,

how does this compare to the M101? (is fg400 the direct competitor compared to megs m101?
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Have not even tried it out yet...


I have a LOT on my plate today and tomorrow. My buddy Carlos told me he would try to bring a black car that he's owned for 31 years for me to check out and test the new FG 400 on but he's also a busy guy so I'm not going to hold his feet to the fire on plans.


If he shows up I'll do some playing around with the product and as we all know, black paint is the best test of all...

That said, one car or "one paint system" is not a very good test. A good test is using a product on multiple paint systems and getting a feel for the product. And I plan on doing that also but not in a day...


:)
 
Thanks Mike,
I'm not upset with Menzerna whatsoever. I actually ordered this on my last order along with 2000 to complete a full line of Menz products. I too can't wait to try it out, along with M101

Transmitted from my WiFi-enabled telegraph.
 
TrKent said:
Why wouldn't Menzerna comment on this question?
While I understand not releasing an actual formulation:
What is Menzerna gaining bynot releasing, what I would consider, basic information?
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:iagree: Does being SMAT or DAT expose the formulation?
 
Performance of the product, not the ingredients that make-up the products is exactly what I was thinking about yesterday working on the Trashed Trailblazer project. The ingredients were the furthest thing from my mind as I was focused on needing performance to complete the job.
 
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