To clay or not to clay and M105/205 Question

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I'm going to embark on my first detail with a PC7424XP. This will be my first time using a DA polisher. In the past, I've just used what I could get at the parts store, polished by hand and wanted to kick it up a few notches (hence the 7424). I also purchased the proper backing plate for 5.5” pads, LC pads (orange, white, red), Megs 105, 205, CG Black Light and CG V7.


I have a 2009 Mustang Bullitt Edition (Dark Highland Green) that is garage kept, has 18,000 miles on the clock, and I'm very picky about keeping it perfect. I had a minor accident back in November of 2011 and had the body shop respray the entire car (yes, that picky) so the paint only has 2,000 “miles” on it and not a single chip. I clayed (Pinnacle brand) and sealed the car with Meguiars NXT 2.0 back in July and have used only ONR to wash it and a spray wax to top it off. I am using microfiber towels as well.


I did the “baggie test” yesterday and can't feel any contaminants anywhere on the car. Should I clay it anyway? It feels very smooth.


Also, there aren't a lot of swirls in the paint so I'm not sure if I should start with 105 or 205. There are two scuffs on the car that I couldn't get out by hand. One is where a piece of rubber hit the drivers door that was kicked up from the road and where some idiot sat on the edge of the fender and a small part of the hood. I can't feel either of these things with my finger nail and it doesn't look like they went into the base coat. Will 105 take these out?


Thanks in advance for the advice/suggestions.
 
If you passed the baggy test, Id say move on to polishing after a good wash to strip the old products off.

As for minor swirls, Id go for the 205/White first. The 105 is a much heavier cut, and doesnt sound like its neccesary in your case. Also, as far as the trouble spots, Id start with 205 there as well, and if you dont get any improvement, hit it with the 105.
 
Thank you!

What do you suggest for stripping the old products off? I don't think ONR will cut it (I love the stuff, though). The paint is still smooth and shiny so I'm pretty sure the NXT is still on there.
 
If you've got a repaint, you've got more clear to play with than the Factory amount, so, there is no harm using 105 first and you'll get better results that way.


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richy said:
If you've got a repaint, you've got more clear to play with than the Factory amount, so, there is no harm using 105 first and you'll get better results that way.


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Hadn't considered that. I'll test a little 205 on the hood and see if that'll do it first, though.
 
Personally I'd do a white polishing pad with 205. Why remove clear if you don't have to, even if you have more to play with? 205 will eliminate all the typical swirls, minor scratches, and oxidation that most of us have, and if you come across some deeper scratches that the 205 won't remove, then I'd try the 105. Your paint sounds almost perfect as is, so if I were you I'd do 205 all the way. Easy to work with and finishes great.
 
Like yourself and most on this site I keep my paint close to perfect on my garage kept car. Only drive on nice days as well. Today I clayed and polished and was amazed at how much dirt and contaminants were pulled off in the clay despite how smooth it felt prior. I thought my car was really glossy and shiny until I clayed and polished it this morning.
 
^^^^ what he said.

Other than your problem spots 205 should do great.

Did you get more than one of each pad?

Do you have shampoo or paint prep that will strip the old LSP? I use CG Citrus Clear for this.
 
I always clay before i do any polishing. I takes like 5 minutes and you dont have to worry about stripping wax because you are polishing anyhow.

It assures me that i dont pick up any contaminants on my pads that might swirl of mar the paint

Have fun
 
I've been using Mike Phillip's 6 pass technique with Meg's Ultimate Compound" and have had great results, it doesn't rob much of your clearcoat. 105 is a heavy hitter and works great, but Two 6's is right, be nice to the clearcoat before you decide to send in the "Broad Street Bullies".
 
dmedvic said:
I've been using Mike Phillip's 6 pass technique with Meg's Ultimate Compound" and have had great results, it doesn't rob much of your clearcoat. 105 is a heavy hitter and works great, but Two 6's is right, be nice to the clearcoat before you decide to send in the "Broad Street Bullies".
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105 WILL refine your paint more than 205. It's an amazing one-two punch. You've got lots so clear to work with, so make it look the best it possibly can. Remember this, 105 will cut as much or as little as the pad you use. Try a white pad with 105 followed by a green or black with 205. Compare 1/2 your panel to what you thought you'd use and compare. You will get much more depth and clarity out of the duo. Don't knock it till you try it.


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hoyt66 said:
Like yourself and most on this site I keep my paint close to perfect on my garage kept car. Only drive on nice days as well. Today I clayed and polished and was amazed at how much dirt and contaminants were pulled off in the clay despite how smooth it felt prior. I thought my car was really glossy and shiny until I clayed and polished it this morning.
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I'll clay a few sections and see if I pick up anything.

bullitt 736 said:
^^^^ what he said.

Other than your problem spots 205 should do great.

Did you get more than one of each pad?

Do you have shampoo or paint prep that will strip the old LSP? I use CG Citrus Clear for this.
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I have 3 of - Orange, White, Black, Red. All I have is ONR. I'll have to pick something up to strip it if I don't go the clay route.

WindyCity said:
I always clay before i do any polishing. I takes like 5 minutes and you dont have to worry about stripping wax because you are polishing anyhow.

It assures me that i dont pick up any contaminants on my pads that might swirl of mar the paint

Have fun
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5 minutes? I must be doing something wrong. It takes me hours to do the entire car.

dmedvic said:
I've been using Mike Phillip's 6 pass technique with Meg's Ultimate Compound" and have had great results, it doesn't rob much of your clearcoat. 105 is a heavy hitter and works great, but Two 6's is right, be nice to the clearcoat before you decide to send in the "Broad Street Bullies".
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I think I watched a video about this.

richy said:
105 WILL refine your paint more than 205. It's an amazing one-two punch. You've got lots so clear to work with, so make it look the best it possibly can. Remember this, 105 will cut as much or as little as the pad you use. Try a white pad with 105 followed by a green or black with 205. Compare 1/2 your panel to what you thought you'd use and compare. You will get much more depth and clarity out of the duo. Don't knock it till you try it.


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I'm going to test some spots with 205. Then if I don't like what I see I'll start with 105.

Thanks everyone! Any more advice/opinions would be welcome.
 
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