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Don't forget D300. So far I have a feeling this is just a body shop safe D300 (MF formula). Time will tell.
Ha! That's too funny!
Can't wait!
Meguiars M100? (not M101) what's this?
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Setec Astronomy
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You left out D300, that would appear to be more of a direct "competitor" to M100 since they are both for MF pads. I'd discount the M101, reading between the lines, that is simply a Europe-specific formula, that is made here, and happens to meet US VOC requirements, so it was a simple label-change that allowed them to sell it here as well, due to all the interest about it.
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Also, check this out! All i was missing was the "PRO"!!
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/57499-meguiars-new-m-products.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/57499-meguiars-new-m-products.html
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Here you go formal intro on MOL
M100 Pro Speed Compound
M100 Pro Speed Compound
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So it looks like I was wrong about being an MF formula.
M100 Pro Speed Compound is designed to be an economical, fast cutting compound for use in body shop environments with a wool pad on a rotary buffer. It offers fast cutting with minimal swirl when used with this tool/pad combo, at a very attractive price.
M100 Pro Speed Compound is designed to be an economical, fast cutting compound for use in body shop environments with a wool pad on a rotary buffer. It offers fast cutting with minimal swirl when used with this tool/pad combo, at a very attractive price.
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OK, our formal announcement is up over at MOL but rather than start a new thread here on AG we'll just update you right here, and hopefully clear up a bit of misinformation about M100 Pro Speed Compound.
M100 was NOT designed to be used with a DA and microfiber pads (although we know you guys are at least going to experiment with it that way - M105, M101 anyone????) but rather as a mid-tier compound for the body shop industry, specifically to be used with a wool pad on a rotary buffer. It is a solvent based compound, as is M101, and it utilizes the latest and most advanced series of abrasives that Meguiar's currently offers. It is targeted at a specific competing product very commonly used in the body shop industry but not so much in the detailing world. That means M100 is designed to quickly cut 1200 grit sanding marks with a wool pad and rotary buffer, while leaving a much higher level of finish. That higher level of finish means less time in the finishing polish step, and since time is money in the body shop world..... well, you get the idea.
M100 is available in 32oz and 1 gallon sizes, with MSRP set at $24.99 and $66.00 respectively.
M100 was NOT designed to be used with a DA and microfiber pads (although we know you guys are at least going to experiment with it that way - M105, M101 anyone????) but rather as a mid-tier compound for the body shop industry, specifically to be used with a wool pad on a rotary buffer. It is a solvent based compound, as is M101, and it utilizes the latest and most advanced series of abrasives that Meguiar's currently offers. It is targeted at a specific competing product very commonly used in the body shop industry but not so much in the detailing world. That means M100 is designed to quickly cut 1200 grit sanding marks with a wool pad and rotary buffer, while leaving a much higher level of finish. That higher level of finish means less time in the finishing polish step, and since time is money in the body shop world..... well, you get the idea.
M100 is available in 32oz and 1 gallon sizes, with MSRP set at $24.99 and $66.00 respectively.
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Ignore this then ^^^^^
Setec Astronomy
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I guess it was that other site that added the blurb about MF pads, because that's clearly not the Meg's description.
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Thanks Michael Stoops for clearing this up, looks like the M101 is on my list for spring still.
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Why wait till spring? M101 is now shipping and should be at your favorite online seller any day now. In fact, it will likely arrive in Stuart, FL on the same truck that AG's initial order of M100 rolls in on!
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Nice. Already have M101 preordered and at M100's price point I might as well get both and compare side by side.
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Alright, I'll try to keep this short.
M100,101,105 & 205 are all designed for rotary & body shop applications not detailing or DA applications.
So:
What from Meguiars is designed for detailing applications? Well obviously things from the Detailer line of products:
D300 & D301 which are designed for DA & MF application.
However:
The Detailing side of things still do not have any polishes designed specifically for detailers. While D301 might finish out nicely it still leaves behind protection. Us detailers want to be able to apply our own protection products. We also need a few steps of polish designed for DA application for multiple situations. D300 is a great all-around compound that works in all sorts of situations but after that I am usually finishing down with other products from other brands because I don't want to use D301.
Does Meguiars have any polishes in store for the Detailer line of products that are specifically designed for detailing and DA application that do not include some kind of protection.
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M100,101,105 & 205 are all designed for rotary & body shop applications not detailing or DA applications.
So:
What from Meguiars is designed for detailing applications? Well obviously things from the Detailer line of products:
D300 & D301 which are designed for DA & MF application.
However:
The Detailing side of things still do not have any polishes designed specifically for detailers. While D301 might finish out nicely it still leaves behind protection. Us detailers want to be able to apply our own protection products. We also need a few steps of polish designed for DA application for multiple situations. D300 is a great all-around compound that works in all sorts of situations but after that I am usually finishing down with other products from other brands because I don't want to use D301.
Does Meguiars have any polishes in store for the Detailer line of products that are specifically designed for detailing and DA application that do not include some kind of protection.
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Cool beans...
Like I said before... seems to me that the most fun part of the detailing world is in the paint polishing segment and that means compounds, polishes, waxes, pads and tools... and of course a passion for the craft and art of polishing paint...
Thanks for chiming in Mike, too bad I didn't know about this sooner I could have put it to the test on a fresh House of Kolor paint job that we start sanding on this Friday...
Everyone be sure to check out the Live Broadcast starting on Friday and continuing on Saturday as we'll be using Trizact products from 3M to machine sand the paint and then Lake Country Pads and Menzerna compounds and polishes to finish the job.
Mystery Muscle Car Wetsand, Cut & Buff Project
Another upcoming wetsanding project...
I've got a 1965 Mustang Fastback wetsand, cut and buff job coming up the first Thursday of January that we're also planning on doing a live broadcast for right here from our studio...
Mike you and/or Mike and Jason are welcome to fly out take part, the door is always open here at Autogeek...
Close, but no Cigar... 1965 Mustang GT
I just showed a guy named John that heard we had a new way of removing swirls the 3" Griot's Garage Polisher as a sander for his 1965 Mustang GT because you can see where the body shop hand sanded close to the edge and,
The key to a scratch-free and swirl free finish when sanding starts with the sanding and having a 3" foam backed disc for the finish sanding cannot be beat.
We'll see the Mustang here in the future. John is coming back to see our new way of removing swirls tomorrow night for the Thursday Night Live Broadcast.
The color is Viper Red and overall whoever did the body work and paint did an exceptional job. The paint has swirls left by a rotary buffer. And there are, tracers, arc scratches and just flat out dull sections next to edges where the sanding marks have not all been removed. So close, but no cigar...
:xyxthumbs:
Like I said before... seems to me that the most fun part of the detailing world is in the paint polishing segment and that means compounds, polishes, waxes, pads and tools... and of course a passion for the craft and art of polishing paint...
Thanks for chiming in Mike, too bad I didn't know about this sooner I could have put it to the test on a fresh House of Kolor paint job that we start sanding on this Friday...
Everyone be sure to check out the Live Broadcast starting on Friday and continuing on Saturday as we'll be using Trizact products from 3M to machine sand the paint and then Lake Country Pads and Menzerna compounds and polishes to finish the job.
Mystery Muscle Car Wetsand, Cut & Buff Project
Another upcoming wetsanding project...
I've got a 1965 Mustang Fastback wetsand, cut and buff job coming up the first Thursday of January that we're also planning on doing a live broadcast for right here from our studio...
Mike you and/or Mike and Jason are welcome to fly out take part, the door is always open here at Autogeek...
Close, but no Cigar... 1965 Mustang GT
I just showed a guy named John that heard we had a new way of removing swirls the 3" Griot's Garage Polisher as a sander for his 1965 Mustang GT because you can see where the body shop hand sanded close to the edge and,
- Left their sanding marks
- Left their tracers
- Left their swirls
The key to a scratch-free and swirl free finish when sanding starts with the sanding and having a 3" foam backed disc for the finish sanding cannot be beat.
We'll see the Mustang here in the future. John is coming back to see our new way of removing swirls tomorrow night for the Thursday Night Live Broadcast.
The color is Viper Red and overall whoever did the body work and paint did an exceptional job. The paint has swirls left by a rotary buffer. And there are, tracers, arc scratches and just flat out dull sections next to edges where the sanding marks have not all been removed. So close, but no cigar...
:xyxthumbs:
But as we all know 105/205 can be used with great success with DA applications. As soon as we find the solution to dusting. M100 might just be that solution and I'm more than confident we will have someone to experiment before the years end on that!
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I use 105 & 205 quite a bit. They do work great but are not specifically designed for detailing. How much better would we be able to finish out cars if we had some dedicated polishes (not just a compound) from Meguiar's?
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I just recently used M205 to polish my gf's black mini cooper, i compound the crap out of it probably 6 months ago and put sealant over it. But it still got watermarks all over and what not.
The M205 finished up pretty good for me, except the 4 pillar by the window, it was still all scratched up....
The M205 finished up pretty good for me, except the 4 pillar by the window, it was still all scratched up....
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Wow, I think that's way too rigid an interpretation of the segmentation of Meg's product lines, to infer that the Mirror Glaze line is strictly for body shops and not for "detailing". However, it seems pretty widespread that "detailers" think there should be something like D301 without the LSP, because M205 is too oily (I guess that's the rationale).
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Have you ever tried M205 Ultra Finishing Polish as a follow up to D300? M205 is indeed a DA recommended product and it does a fantastic job either removing haze from a more aggressive defect removal step, or as a final gloss enhancing polish prior to LSP application. I think the biggest error people make when using it is that they buff too long with it. Yes, it's a SMAT product so the abrasives don't diminish like, say, 85rd, and it can stay wet for a long period of time so people are often taking that as a sign that they can keep buffing with it. But M205 does it's job rather quickly, so if you're really used to a diminishing abrasive finishing polish you might need to slightly tweak your technique a bit. That means you'll maximize results of M205 with a shorter buffing cycle than you would with a diminishing abrasive polish like 85rd or similar.
So, just as a diminishing abrasive product isn't going to give its best result with a really short buffing cycle, M205 won't yield its best with a long one.
As for the other products, M105 was originally designed as a wool pad/rotary compound but it immediately became so popular in the detailing world that we tweaked the formula to make it more compatible with the DA. But we could only go so far that way without negatively impacting it's original design intent. M101, as you probably know, was designed for a very specific market with very specific paint, tools, workflow, etc. It wasn't even sold in the US initially because of this, but enough interest and feedback prompted us to go ahead and release it here anyway.
And to be really candid with you, there aren't that many products that compete directly with our Mirror Glaze line in the body shop world that are designed specifically for "detailing" use as such. Really, that even includes the fine line of products from Menzerna, which is much more of a body shop and OEM industry line of products in Europe. The product lines that we go head to head with in that market segment, the segment that M100 is really targeting, aren't even sold through all the popular online detailing supply places like AG and others. But if you could get your hands on them, many of them would work fine for detailing, just as M105, M205, M101, heck even M80 and M83 can and do work well for detailing. And we suspect M100 will, in some cases, work equally well in this segment.
We may design a specific product to address a specific target, but that doesn't mean it should never be used outside that design parameter. We've always said that we welcome experimentation, and if something works in even a really odd situation, so be it. We know of someone who actually used M105 to clean the original leather seats in a 1965 Maserati when nothing else was working for him. Obviously we don't recommend this for everyone (well, in all honesty, we don't recommend this for ANYONE!!!) but it worked really well for him. Go figure. And now, please, forget that I ever mentioned M105 and original Maserati leather. Put it right out of your head!
So, just as a diminishing abrasive product isn't going to give its best result with a really short buffing cycle, M205 won't yield its best with a long one.
As for the other products, M105 was originally designed as a wool pad/rotary compound but it immediately became so popular in the detailing world that we tweaked the formula to make it more compatible with the DA. But we could only go so far that way without negatively impacting it's original design intent. M101, as you probably know, was designed for a very specific market with very specific paint, tools, workflow, etc. It wasn't even sold in the US initially because of this, but enough interest and feedback prompted us to go ahead and release it here anyway.
And to be really candid with you, there aren't that many products that compete directly with our Mirror Glaze line in the body shop world that are designed specifically for "detailing" use as such. Really, that even includes the fine line of products from Menzerna, which is much more of a body shop and OEM industry line of products in Europe. The product lines that we go head to head with in that market segment, the segment that M100 is really targeting, aren't even sold through all the popular online detailing supply places like AG and others. But if you could get your hands on them, many of them would work fine for detailing, just as M105, M205, M101, heck even M80 and M83 can and do work well for detailing. And we suspect M100 will, in some cases, work equally well in this segment.
We may design a specific product to address a specific target, but that doesn't mean it should never be used outside that design parameter. We've always said that we welcome experimentation, and if something works in even a really odd situation, so be it. We know of someone who actually used M105 to clean the original leather seats in a 1965 Maserati when nothing else was working for him. Obviously we don't recommend this for everyone (well, in all honesty, we don't recommend this for ANYONE!!!) but it worked really well for him. Go figure. And now, please, forget that I ever mentioned M105 and original Maserati leather. Put it right out of your head!