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Rockeey

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Been lingering her for awhile and just figured I would take the leap and register on the forum.

I have been an avid detailer for a long time. One of the cabinets in my garage is always FULL of various detailing products, tools, and supplies. I am pretty much self-taught and started quite a few years back buffing my cars with a wool pad hooked up to a standard drill. (the answer is “yes”….I did burn the paint on a vehicle once.)

I own a 1976 Trans Am (see below) that I had painted about 8 years ago. I color sanded and buffed the entire vehicle with wool and foam pads on a drill. It took more hours than I care to admit but no one believes me when I tell them it is a Maaco paint job that I cut and buffed. I’ve had people tell me that it looks like a $6,000-$8,000 paint job….which, in my opinion, is a true testimony to what can be accomplished on even an inexpensive BC/CC paint job with some decent product and tools. It is virtually swirl free top to bottom….but, again, the amount of time spent getting it like that is almost embarrassing to admit. Almost as embarrassing to admit is that my first purchase from Autogeek included a 2 3/4 inch rotary backing plate with the drill adapter and some 4 inch foam pads. I just couldn’t resist.

After learning the routine on a drill, I jumped to a rotary polisher and started learning how to cut faster with as little swirl as I could. A couple of months ago, I purchased my first DA and couldn’t be happier with the results I am getting. I am a huge fan of Megs UC and UP and the finishing I am getting using the DA after a pass with the rotary is a notch above what I was getting from just the rotary. I’ve done about 5 cars (4 of them were black) since I got the DA and can’t wait to get busy on the next one. In fact, my T/A is in storage for the Winter and I am already itching to get it home so I can run the DA over it and maybe crispen it up a bit. Might even indulge in some Souveran or Fuzion just to treat her to what I hope is a special glow for the 2013 cruise and car show season.


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Friends and family have questioned (even joked about) my “strange” obsession with a clean car but, truth is, detailing is sort of therapeutic for me….and I don’t hesitate to admit that to anyone that asks. I substantially enjoy being in the driveway or garage working to bring a vehicle back to a condition that is ‘like new’ or as close as possible to it. I find it challenging but relaxing and very enjoyable at the same time.

I’ve already learned quite a bit just from lingering here over the last 2-3 months. The will power it’s taken to refrain from ordering an entire smorgasbord of product has been difficult but I know it is probably just a matter of time before I cave. I’m particularly anxious to try a rinseless wash because I’ve never done that before.

Anyway….greetings everyone !!
 
Hey welcome..Nice paint too on that ride

What kinda of DA did you buy??
 
Welcome to AGO!!! Very slick Trans Am! Enjoy your time here!!!
 
Hey welcome..Nice paint too on that ride

What kinda of DA did you buy??


Thank you.

I went the inexpensive route and bought the Harbor Freight DA....but the thing seems to be doing the job rather well. I haven't had to crank past 4 or 5 on the speed dial and it's rotating very well with a good amount of pressure. I already have my sights set on a Flex 3401, though :)
 
"Yo Rock"! Welcome aboard, can relate to you wanting a clean car and it being therapeutic. I love a good workout and I can spend hours on cars and not know it...at the Gym I work hard but I usually know it.
Megs UC has done incredible things that I didn't expect, their tech support had said to consider it a mild compound, the results on your Trans Am are terrific, it was one of my favorites back then.
 
Been lingering her for awhile and just figured I would take the leap and register on the forum.


We love to see lurkers transition to active members...



I own a 1976 Trans Am (see below) that I had painted about 8 years ago. I color sanded and buffed the entire vehicle with wool and foam pads on a drill.

It took more hours than I care to admit but no one believes me when I tell them it is a Maaco paint job that I cut and buffed.



Incredible.

Just goes to show when there's a will there's a way...


I helped a guy to do a complete wetsand, cut and buff to a classic Mustang via the forum, (typing), a few years ago. He hand sanded the garage paint job and then removed his sanding marks using only a Porter Cable DA Polisher. He said it tool a long time but he was retired and had plenty of it.

It = time


I’ve had people tell me that it looks like a $6,000-$8,000 paint job….which, in my opinion, is a true testimony to what can be accomplished on even an inexpensive BC/CC paint job with some decent product and tools.

That's right... if you have enough film build, that is paint sprayed onto the car while it's in the booth then the end results all come down to the guy that does the wetsanding, cutting and buffing, not the painter.

It's the person that does the wet-sanding, cutting and buffing that makes or breaks the paint job -Mike Phillips


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The Painter is the person that has the knowledge, skill and talent to spray new paint onto your car and have it come out looking great. If the quality of the finish is acceptable with no further sanding or buffing, then the painter gets all the credit for the quality of the end result.

If the car is to be sanded and machine buffed, or perhaps just machine buffed, then the quality of the end result is now in the hands of the person doing the wetsanding, cutting and buffing (or just machine buffing), as they are the last person to exercise power and control over any process related to the end results. If the end results are good, then they get a portion of the credit. If the end result is bad, that is the paint is filled with swirls and scratches, then they get all the credit.

Another way of saying this is...

"It's the person that does the wet-sanding, cutting and buffing that makes or breaks the paint job" -Mike Phillips


Some painters do their own wetsanding, cutting and buffing, so in some cases the painter and the person doing the doing the wetsanding and buffing, (or just buffing), are the same person and they get ALL the credit whether it comes out show car quality or swirl city. If it comes out looking great then the other thing they get is that anyone in the know of how cars are painted and then polished, after seeing their results first hand, well this person raises their respect level for that person a few notches higher... whoever it might be...

And then... you got that going for you...




Welcome to Autogeek Online!


:welcome:
 
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome!


Megs UC has done incredible things that I didn't expect, their tech support had said to consider it a mild compound, the results on your Trans Am are terrific, it was one of my favorites back then.

I use either Megs ‘fine cut’ or ‘medium cut’ after sanding and then go right to the UC and the UP (if needed). Finishes out incredibly well. I know others would opine that better results can be achieved with other products (and that may be true) but so far I’ve accomplished my goals with the UC. Actually, I plan to try a few other products I've seen promoted here on AG...so we'll see.


"It's the person that does the wet-sanding, cutting and buffing that makes or breaks the paint job" -Mike Phillips

Yes. I couldn’t agree more. The paint job on my T/A had a fair amount of orange peel, fisheye, and some dust bumps in it. From 10 feet away, it looked pretty good. Once all of that was knocked down and buffed, it went from looking “good” to “incredible”….even when standing only a few inches away.

Some painters do their own wetsanding, cutting and buffing, so in some cases the painter and the person doing the doing the wetsanding and buffing, (or just buffing), are the same person and they get ALL the credit whether it comes out show car quality or swirl city. If it comes out looking great then the other thing they get is that anyone in the know of how cars are painted and then polished, after seeing their results first hand, well this person raises their respect level for that person a few notches higher... whoever it might be...

The impression I’ve gotten over the years is that many body shops prefer not to do a quality cut and buff simply because of the time and expense involved to do it right. I have known many people who have spent upwards of $10,000 to have their classic car painted and I can’t help but to wonder just how much of that cost involved the “cut-and-buff” part. It is very time consuming to do it well !!

When I returned to the Maaco that had sprayed my T/A to show them the final result, the owner was subtly suggesting that he might have some work for me :eek: Apparently, according to him, their hourly charge for detail work on repaired panels had a very thin profit margin just because of the time it involved and what they could recoup from the customer or the insurance company for it. I did not even act interested in his “suggestion” because all I could picture was a line up of cars in my driveway littered with orange peel, fisheye, and dust bumps and the immense amount of time involved to knock that all down and provide a quality swirl free finish.

You’re very correct, Mike….the guys that can command the higher prices for paint jobs and have a waiting list are the ones that can not only prep a car for paint properly and then apply a quality spray…..but that can take that “raw” coating of fresh paint and make it literally glow.
 
Great to see another new member come on board.....:props:

:welcome: :props:
 
Welcome! That's one nice looking car. You did a great job on the paint.
 
Thank you much !!

Here are some 'before' and 'after' pics of the engine compartment detailing I did two Summers ago. The engine (6.6L/400 c.i.) was not removed from the car.


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Welcome! That's one nice looking car. You did a great job on the paint.

Thank you very much. Took a LOT of rubbing. My wife was starting to get jealous :D
 
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