WG Total Swirl Remover 3.0 vs Menzerna FG-400

[umi000]

I use CCS and Flat pads. As far as the CCS working, it does not really pick up too much unspent polish. On a single stage or even when the pad is dirty, you can see the dimples are full of a grey-ish substances.

As far as DAT polishes, I have never had a problem with spent and unspent mixing. I prefer them to SMAT polishes for the exact reason they get less aggressive and finish better. Especially for jeweling.

I though Megs was DAT? I have never used their polishes. Only tried Optimum.

I guess it's not something that has a massive effect, though I myself would still just stick with the flat pads

The newer Megs polishes (M86, M105, M205, etc) are SMAT - in fact, they're the ones who introduced the technology to the market.

 

[Andr3wilson]

I guess it's not something that has a massive effect, though I myself would still just stick with the flat pads

The newer Megs polishes (M86, M105, M205, etc) are SMAT - in fact, they're the ones who introduced the technology to the market.

I am slowly transitioning over to the flat ones myself.

Cool fact! Might buy some one day!

 

[Andr3wilson]

Yes, will be machine applying with Griots DA with 5 1/2" finishing pad.

Just to clarify, if you were me, given my concerns, would you buy the WGFG or the 4500?

Thanks for your replies and advice!

I would buy 4500 no questions. 4500 is a nano polish and WGFG is a glaze (this is where i could be wrong), glazes are used to fill in marring, whereas polishes cut away the marring and defects. Glazing is not a permanent option, polishing is.

I have a gallon of 4000, which is very similar, I wish I could get 4500 in the gallon size.

 

[1953hogan]

4500 it is. Thanks very much for your help.

Now, if you can cook up something to get the Badgers back into this Rose Bowl game, your advice will be priceless !!

Best,

Steve

 

[Judge]

WGFG is labeled as a glaze but its really a finishing polish. According to them it doesn't have any fillers and it's developed by Menzerna. Some think it may actually be 4000 sold in a Wolfgang bottle

 

[Andr3wilson]

WGFG is labeled as a glaze but its really a finishing polish. According to them it doesn't have any fillers and it's developed by Menzerna. Some think it may actually be 4000 sold in a Wolfgang bottle

I was thinking that myself, but i didn't want to give false info

 

[Judge]

I could kind of tell that by your post. I just used it myself for the first time last week, and I did not see any filling. I used white pads with my flex 3401 and wiped down with carpro eraser. It's very easy to use and leaves a great glossy finish

 

[umi000]

WGFG is labeled as a glaze but its really a finishing polish. According to them it doesn't have any fillers and it's developed by Menzerna. Some think it may actually be 4000 sold in a Wolfgang bottle

It's not really any sort of big secret - they don't quite state it's the same thing, but come pretty close on the bottom of the SF4000 product page:

If you're looking for a 16 oz. size of this polish, try Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0! It has the same polishing power and flawless results, in a smaller size.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Though it seems a bit of p.i.t.a. at the time, personally I've found the test spot to be invaluable. Take the extra time - it will be well worth it.

I agree actually. It can be kind of a pain but I've been surprised enough after doing a Test Spot and getting results other than what I assumed that I always make it a normal part of the process on any car that I've never worked on previously or when using any products I've never used before.

The Test Spot is a time saver not a time waster at the end of the day...

Or, should I just use the Wolfgang Twins instead? Or are my fears about removing the 4500 unfounded?

Being a newbie, just want to keep things as easy and goof/proof for myself as possible.

Thanks,

Steve

Just be sure to use clean, microfiber towels and fold them 4-ways and then turn to a fresh side often as you remove the polish.

Also, only take little swipes or bites of polish off the paint at a time and ANY product is easy to remove. I share lots of tips for carefully removing products in the articles below...


How to correctly fold and use a Microfiber Towel

The Final Wipe – Tips for creating a streak-free, show car finish

How to break open a coating of wax and remove it by creeping out...

Increase Your Grip Strength with Microfiber Gloves


And this video goes over a TON of tips and techniques...

How to remove shallow RIDS and how to machine
apply both a paint sealant and a finishing wax
[video=youtube_share;3xJH_MGgbLw&hd=1"]How to remove shallow RIDS and how to machine...[/video]​

This how-to video also covers,

• RIDS - Random Isolated Deeper Scratches
• Removing watches and any jewelery
• Using a DA Polisher without the handle
• Placing cord over shoulder
• Priming the pad on a DA Polisher
• Speed settings for removing isolated defects
• Downward pressure needed for removing isolated defects
• How to clean a pad on the fly
• Where and why to mark your backing plate with a black mark
• Rotating the body of the tool to keep the pad flat to a panel
• Why to allow the pad to stop spinning before lifting the pad off the paint
• How to swap backing plates from a 3.5" to a 5"
• Machine waxing using 5.5" Hydro-Tech Crimson Finishing pads with Menzerna Power Lock
• The "Kissing the Finish" Technique
• How to do the Swipe Test to check if a wax or paint sealant is dry
• How to remove dried paint sealant using a microfiber bonnet on a dry pad on a DA Polisher
• How to clean a microfiber bonnet on the fly with your fingernails
• How to apply a paste wax by machine - Souveran Paste Wax
• How to carefully wipe a WOWO wax off by hand using Microfiber Gloves and plush Microfiber Towels
• How and why to fold a microfiber towel 4-ways to wipe wax off
• How to break-open a coat of wax and then creep out to carefully wipe off a coating of wax
• How to do the "Final Wipe"

WGFG is labeled as a glaze but its really a finishing polish.

Correct. Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is a Fine Cut Polish, see the below article or page of my how-to book...


Word Definitions - Compounds, Polishes, Glazes, Paint Cleaners and Waxes




Paperback

 

[1953hogan]

Thanks, Mike.

P.S. I've got your book. You write well. Nice, easy informal style. Easy to read and interesting, for anyone out there who is wondering.

 

[LazyGhost]

The ops question seems to be answered so id like to ask a question that relative to the comments discussed in this thread.

Lets say im using menz 2500 on a white pad and coming back with menz 4500 on a red. I get to a panel thats got a little deeper swirls and scratches that thr 2500 wont take out. I then slap on an orange pad and break out the fp400 and it removes the swirls just fine.
My question is, do i need to slap back on the white pad and go over the panel with the 2500, or just slap on the red pad and go straight to the 4500? What is the common practice here?
Thanx

 

[Andr3wilson]

The ops question seems to be answered so id like to ask a question that relative to the comments discussed in this thread.

Lets say im using menz 2500 on a white pad and coming back with menz 4500 on a red. I get to a panel thats got a little deeper swirls and scratches that thr 2500 wont take out. I then slap on an orange pad and break out the fp400 and it removes the swirls just fine.
My question is, do i need to slap back on the white pad and go over the panel with the 2500, or just slap on the red pad and go straight to the 4500? What is the common practice here?
Thanx

I like to think of FG400 as PF2500 + PG1000

In all of my cases of using FG400, I have not had to go to PF2500 before 4500. Quite often, FG400 can leave the paint LSP ready (depending on what is wanted).

On the softest of paints, FG400 might leave the slightest of hazing, but that will be easy for 4500 to pull out

In a few cases, for swirl removing I have used 4500 on a white pad.