Microfiber Crazy

IIRC, CM8 6MT was asking about older Costco Eurow before. Since you've brought it up, I'm going to use this opportunity and point out something I've noticed:

Older Costco Eurow towels were significantly better than recent batches; both softness and absorbancy. Newer towels seemed to push liquid around and have much stronger odor than I remember. I bought not one, but three, and had to return to get a refund 3 separate times. Tried washing it - no good. I'm a little embarrassed to admit this is the main reason why I step up to 'boutique' microfibers. I was more than satisfied with Costco yellows, and would have been there still for not the change. Also, visually you could tell the difference between the old vs new by the tag. The older towel has Eurow's symbol, whereas the new is just plain white tag with care instruction & fiber content.

Hmmmm.... I'll have to look at that next time. The last batch she brought me was Eurow for sure. I asked her tonight if they are still the same and she thought they were, guess we'll find out. :dunno:

Honestly I've not been up there in a long time. The wife works close by and will stop by on the way home sometimes. The really BAD PART is they changed out our Costco to a 'business center' and boy does it suck! I mean if you want to buy a 50 or 100 pound hunk of meat you're in like flint but who in the name of Sam Hill does that? Lot's of commercial kitchen goods she tells me. There are 3 more stores north of Atlanta, but only 1 on the south side. No electronics or all that cool stuff I used to go in there and look at either. :(
 
I hear alot about those zaino blond towels. I tried to pre-order a few but they don't do that. So I put myself on the email list. I'll be looking for the word from them that they have them. Junkman highly recommends them.

Yes sir. :dblthumb2:
 
Those towels from big box stores are dangerous. I'd recommend trying them out on a CD before they touch your paint. If it scratches the CD, you have a problem. Retire that towel to interior detailing if you care about your paint. I've found the zaino border less blonde and Adams double soft to be the best so far.
 
Those towels from big box stores are dangerous. I'd recommend trying them out on a CD before they touch your paint. If it scratches the CD, you have a problem. Retire that towel to interior detailing if you care about your paint. I've found the zaino border less blonde and Adams double soft to be the best so far.

IMO the cd test is such a bogus, non scientific test. CD's are in no way a reflection of a cars paint, it's a plastic material.

If you want to see if a towel scratches your car, then use it on your car on small out of the way area you know you can quick polish to recover...or else you'll just be scratching all your cd's.....
 
IMO the cd test is such a bogus, non scientific test. CD's are in no way a reflection of a cars paint, it's a plastic material.

If you want to see if a towel scratches your car, then use it on your car on small out of the way area you know you can quick polish to recover...or else you'll just be scratching all your cd's.....

+2 I couldnt agree more. I used to think this was a valid test, until the towels that were passing the "CD test" still ended up marring my paint. Yeah CD's are still very scratch sensitive, but like you pointed out why test on a surface that isnt even close to that of car paint? Good reply cleanmycorolla :)
 
IMO the cd test is such a bogus, non scientific test. CD's are in no way a reflection of a cars paint, it's a plastic material.

If you want to see if a towel scratches your car, then use it on your car on small out of the way area you know you can quick polish to recover...or else you'll just be scratching all your cd's.....

+1000:iagree:

Car paint is in no way polycarbonate plastic. And FWIW the Eurow 350's have been known to be fairly decent towels, especially for the money. Luckily Costco sells them for only $15.95 for a 36 pack, even CHEAPER that Eurow sells them for on their site. At that price I'll wash them a couple of times and use them on paint, GENTLY for some jobs, (not all). Once they get dirty they'll move to duty elsewhere. Nothing that's not spotless goes on paint, period. No matter what towel it is.

Am starting to like the last Eurow 660's I picked up, even though they are dual layer, but shaggy on both sides. Tried them for compound, polish, liquid sealant, wax, even spritz sealant removal and they work like a charm. :xyxthumbs:

Still gotta' pull the trigger though on the Microfiber Tech case deal. Just need to decide WHICH cases I need the worse about now. ;)
 
Interesting last few post. How can a towel that scratches a CD, not scratch your paint? That doesn't make sense as clear coat is MUCH harder that whatever a CD is made of. With all the experience that I have fixing paint, I fear any towel coming out of China (just as I fear any parts for my car made in China - won't take them for free). With all the documentaries done on shows like 60 minutes, Dateline and the PBS channel, it is more than clear that some of the worst quality crap is coming out of that country. From vinyl stripes to tools, you risk it all if that's where your towels were made.
 
With all the money being peed away everyday in this country taking scratches and swirls out of car paint...why in the world would anybody skimp on the very thing that probably put those scratches in the paint in the first place?

You want to save money taking care of your car..?.. then spend the money necessary for proper preventive care by buying the best quality MF towels despite their cost.

Yes the Zaino blondes are $8 a pop... What are you paying for your polishes and all the associated toys required to correct the paint ?

Yeah....I thought so.
 
With all the money being peed away everyday in this country taking scratches and swirls out of car paint...why in the world would anybody skimp on the very thing that probably put those scratches in the paint in the first place?

You want to save money taking care of your car..?.. then spend the money necessary for proper preventive care by buying the best quality MF towels despite their cost.

Yes the Zaino blondes are $8 a pop... What are you paying for your polishes and all the associated toys required to correct the paint ?

Yeah....I thought so.

:iagree: :props:
 
With all the money being peed away everyday in this country taking scratches and swirls out of car paint...why in the world would anybody skimp on the very thing that probably put those scratches in the paint in the first place?

You want to save money taking care of your car..?.. then spend the money necessary for proper preventive care by buying the best quality MF towels despite their cost.

Yes the Zaino blondes are $8 a pop... What are you paying for your polishes and all the associated toys required to correct the paint ?

Yeah....I thought so.

:iagree: as much as it may sting sometimes :iagree:
 
Interesting last few post. How can a towel that scratches a CD, not scratch your paint? That doesn't make sense as clear coat is MUCH harder that whatever a CD is made of. With all the experience that I have fixing paint, I fear any towel coming out of China (just as I fear any parts for my car made in China - won't take them for free). With all the documentaries done on shows like 60 minutes, Dateline and the PBS channel, it is more than clear that some of the worst quality crap is coming out of that country. From vinyl stripes to tools, you risk it all if that's where your towels were made.


You have a couple of good points Junkman. I fully agree with your disdain for low quality products. However let's think about this a moment. When we buy some US products (be it for cars or anything else) sometimes the so-called quality US consumer products we buy may be laden with parts made in china or some other country that makes inferior parts. Look at some of the new cars made today. The new Dodge Dart for example. As American as Dodge markets itself to be, I believe that car is actually a fiat made with parts from multiple countries around the world.

Even when we pickup the phone for customer service, no telling who we speak to from where because US companies outsource there customer services offices. If you ever had to call Citibank or even Sirrus XM for that matter you will not only get a headache but also a heavy accent as well. It may not be the fault of the person on the other end of the phone. Just our governmental law at work for us.
 
Interesting last few post. How can a towel that scratches a CD, not scratch your paint? That doesn't make sense as clear coat is MUCH harder that whatever a CD is made of.

I think you got it backwards.

What cleanmycorolla and I suggested is that just because a MF towel wont scratch a CD, doesnt mean it WONT scratch your paint, not the other way around. Anyhow...

At least when working with soft paint, I can take my nail and very lightly run it through my paint, and it will leave a fine line. I can do the same with a CD, and you wont be able to see anything. I can take a cheap MF towel and vigorously rub it all over my CD with no scrarches or marring, take the same towel to my paint and it will marr & swirl. I care less about the science behind that as far as material surfaces, but cheap MF towels can marr soft paint even though they wont scratch a CD.
 
+2 I couldnt agree more. I used to think this was a valid test, until the towels that were passing the "CD test" still ended up marring my paint. Yeah CD's are still very scratch sensitive, but like you pointed out why test on a surface that isnt even close to that of car paint? Good reply cleanmycorolla :)

+1000:iagree:

Car paint is in no way polycarbonate plastic. And FWIW the Eurow 350's have been known to be fairly decent towels, especially for the money. Luckily Costco sells them for only $15.95 for a 36 pack, even CHEAPER that Eurow sells them for on their site. At that price I'll wash them a couple of times and use them on paint, GENTLY for some jobs, (not all). Once they get dirty they'll move to duty elsewhere. Nothing that's not spotless goes on paint, period. No matter what towel it is.

Am starting to like the last Eurow 660's I picked up, even though they are dual layer, but shaggy on both sides. Tried them for compound, polish, liquid sealant, wax, even spritz sealant removal and they work like a charm. :xyxthumbs:

Still gotta' pull the trigger though on the Microfiber Tech case deal. Just need to decide WHICH cases I need the worse about now. ;)


Great minds think alike! :dblthumb2:
 
I think you got it backwards.

What cleanmycorolla and I suggested is that just because a MF towel wont scratch a CD, doesnt mean it WONT scratch your paint, not the other way around. Anyhow...

Okay, That's not the way I read what you posted but okay.

At least when working with soft paint, I can take my nail and very lightly run it through my paint, and it will leave a fine line. I can do the same with a CD, and you wont be able to see anything. I can take a cheap MF towel and vigorously rub it all over my CD with no scrarches or marring, take the same towel to my paint and it will marr & swirl. I care less about the science behind that as far as material surfaces, but cheap MF towels can marr soft paint even though they wont scratch a CD.

Now that I completely disagree with. THAT you would have to prove. I paint the front end of my car every winter to rid the car of all the paint chips I pick up during the driving season so soft paint is something I am very familiar with. If a towel scratches ANYTHING, it will scratch your paint also. I can see the slightest scratches in my paint with no effort at all because I go through the headache of making it perfect. I don't mean close to perfect or somewhat perfect, I mean perfect. I look at it under all kinds of different lighting conditions to make sure that it is flawless.

I am not one to make claims without offering proof so here are some picks.

Under the intense light of a camera's flash:

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Under incandescent lighting:

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Under sunlight:

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Under natural light:

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Look at all the rock chips after 20 laps. Yes, that puppy hits the track in Atlanta every year. It's got 145,000 miles on it and I drive it like I stole it. If I touch that paint with ANY kind of sub par towel, the damage is immediate. I have no trouble seeing. So if it scratches anything, it will definitely scratch my paint. A scratch on a CD definitely means a scratch on my paint. I can guarantee that.
 
Okay, That's not the way I read what you posted but okay.

Now that I completely disagree with. THAT you would have to prove. I paint the front end of my car every winter to rid the car of all the paint chips I pick up during the driving season so soft paint is something I am very familiar with. If a towel scratches ANYTHING, it will scratch your paint also.

Right, thats not the way you read it. I see your having trouble understanding, and your taking this discussion to another level thats not required.

Who uses a "camera flash" to detect swirls? Really dude? What exactly does posting pics of your corvette prove anything?

What I stated, and ill try to put it in simplest terms since your having a hard time understanding is this:

Cheap MF towels have the potential to marr soft paint, REGARDLESS if they dont marr or scratch a CD.

I agree with what you have to say, but your trying to re-word what I said, when I couldnt of been any more clear.
 
junkman: towel scratches cd = towel scratches paint

cm8 6mt: towel doesn't scratch cd = towel can still possibly scratch paint

Two sides of the same coin, and I think both are right.
 
Who uses a "camera flash" to detect swirls? Really dude? What exactly does posting pics of your corvette prove anything?

The pictures of my Vette sets the bar. That way, we BOTH know exactly what the word 'perfect' means when I use it.

When I teach a detailing seminar, I ALWAYS use a flash to show swirls. I can see that you are not privy to this technique but allow me to enlighten you.

Here's a guy's paint job who told me his paint was flawless. I could see otherwise but he couldn't. This is what HE saw.

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This is what I saw, and I used the flash from my camera to help him see what I saw:

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So who uses a flash to see swirls? Anyone who knows how to find swirls and help others to see them too. The next thing I do is fix them and show the car owner the difference in their paint. Works wonders and opens up a LOT of formerly blind eyes.

What I stated, and ill try to put it in simplest terms since your having a hard time understanding is this:

Cheap MF towels have the potential to marr soft paint, REGARDLESS if they dont marr or scratch a CD.

I agree with what you have to say, but your trying to re-word what I said, when I couldnt of been any more clear.

And there's where we will just have to disagree. No problem. I know that if a towel can scratch my paint, it will also scratch a CD.
 
The pictures of my Vette sets the bar. That way, we BOTH know exactly what the word 'perfect' means when I use it.

When I teach a detailing seminar, I ALWAYS use a flash to show swirls. I can see that you are not privy to this technique but allow me to enlighten you.

And there's where we will just have to disagree. No problem. I know that if a towel can scratch my paint, it will also scratch a CD.

LMAO your vette sets the bar? Ok MR. King of all pros. Everyone take notes from this guy, he just SET THE BAR for everyone. Get real dude.

I dont use a cameras flash to detect swirls, I use a high powered LED like many people here.
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Like ihaveacamaro stated, I think were both talking about the same side of the coin, but hey what do I know, your obviously the "pro" here by setting the bar pretty high ;)
 
You have a couple of good points Junkman. I fully agree with your disdain for low quality products. However let's think about this a moment. When we buy some US products (be it for cars or anything else) sometimes the so-called quality US consumer products we buy may be laden with parts made in china or some other country that makes inferior parts. Look at some of the new cars made today. The new Dodge Dart for example. As American as Dodge markets itself to be, I believe that car is actually a fiat made with parts from multiple countries around the world.

Even when we pickup the phone for customer service, no telling who we speak to from where because US companies outsource there customer services offices. If you ever had to call Citibank or even Sirrus XM for that matter you will not only get a headache but also a heavy accent as well. It may not be the fault of the person on the other end of the phone. Just our governmental law at work for us.

Here here! :)

Thing is... we've sold our manufacturing to CHEAP outsourced labor in every corner of the world. :rolleyes: Even the Zaino towels are manufactured in Korea. ;) Not so terribly different than China. I find it a little funny that with all the talk of NOTHING touching your car, inside or out, other than microfiber, that the Zaino blondes (from what I can tell) are 100% cotton. :) Myself, I'd LOVE to only have cotton. My wife would be the happiest person on EARTH because she can't STAND microfiber! :laughing: Her hands are all cut up and rough from handling thousands upon thousands of papers a day and MF towels make her skin crawl! ;)

I remember in the 90's when the us CAFE standards were cracking down on fleet fuel economy. The US manufacturers had in no way figured out how to keep making huge V8 cars that get European 2 liter fuel economy. The 'out' as it may.... was that IF a vehicle had more than a certain percentage of its parts made outside the borders of the US then THAT vehicle DID NOT have to fall under the US CAFE standards.

One of the darlings of the industry was the Ford Crown Victoria. I mean all the big families drove one, and literally every government agency had a whole fleet, (still does). So how in the world did they keep selling that big V8 gas hog when it fell well outside the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards? Well by outsourcing so many parts that it qualified as an 'import'. They even shifted manufacturing to Mexico just to make sure! True story. :rolleyes:

Remember when Wal-Mart was on a "Made in the USA" campaign? Going into small towns and putting dozens of local businesses out of business they acted like it was all a good thing, and had "Made in the USA" banners all over the store. Now days you'll search high and low to find ANYTHING with such a label!!!

Having a product made in China doesn't have to mean it's inferior. Although... all to often that IS what it means. They have invested in and built some of the most advanced manufacturing plants on the planet, and are capable of making the finest products anywhere. At the same time, they can offer cost that lures retailers away from *quality* and more towards *profit*.

Take for instance if you can buy a 600gsm MF towel at $1.25 in China and another at $2.45 in Korea, or even yet another one for $6.00 made in Korea which one would you buy? How would you know one is any better than the other? Assuming that the raw materials came from the same place, are manufactured to the same specification, then all *should* be the same product. (SHOULD being the operative word.) :dunno:
 
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