Questions on various LSPs beading and sheeting?

[ihaveacamaro]

When is the first time after applying an LSP can I check the beading and sheeting with water? Let's go ahead and assume I am doing this in 50 - 90 degree weather and somewhat sunny to full on sunny.

Will checking too early affect later on beading and sheeting?

 

[TroyScherer]

I would first say that you need to look at the cure time for your products. Something things like "pure" waxes can be tested / topped nearly immediately, where as sealants and coatings have cure times in the hours. I would think that you would want to give the proper cure time to each product to get a real sense of beading, sheeting, durability.



I would guess that testing and LSP before it has fully cured will change how it act down the road as the durability will be compromised thus shortening its life and beading / sheeting characteristics.

 

[ihaveacamaro]

I would first say that you need to look at the cure time for your products. Something things like "pure" waxes can be tested / topped nearly immediately, where as sealants and coatings have cure times in the hours. I would think that you would want to give the proper cure time to each product to get a real sense of beading, sheeting, durability.



I would guess that testing and LSP before it has fully cured will change how it act down the road as the durability will be compromised thus shortening its life and beading / sheeting characteristics.

Thanks Troy, I agree with you, but had no evidence to support my theories. I was trying to get a standard time that I could test LSPs across the board at.

I'm thinking 24 hours should do it.

 

[FUNX650]

As Troy stated: Depends on the "LSP-type", along
with the manufacturers' recommended cure-times.

I'll add...
To ensure the most accurate/viable LSP-beading/sheeting test:

-These cure-times should, in reality, be the: "Total-Cure-Times"...
and that particular, inherent LSP-characteristic varies between:
Almost immediately, and a couple of months.


IMHO...Then
24 hours...is probably not the waiting-period/'gold standard' you seek.


:idea:

Before you apply an LSP:
-Check/Measure the, (I assume) water-beading/sheeting (if any) upon the:
Pristine, 'bare', and squeeky-clean...top coat paint-film.

This base measurement will allow for comparisons of any beading/sheeting caused by/from LSP's, further on down the road.

RE: Waxes "Total-Cure-Time"
-Upon my completion of a wax application's Final Wipe<<<(M.P.)...

I find it conducive to achieve: less-dust attraction/'wax-hardening' conditions by spritzing the wax with ice-cold distilled water.
Of course another: Final Wiping session is a necessary but fulfilling task.


Note of interest:
Some LSP's are formulated to "Bead"...
Others are formulated to "Sheet".

Question: What model will you use to differentiate between these LSP's?




Bob

 

[fenderpicks]

Since we r talking about LSP
Does anyone know how long it will take for permaon plant to wear off? I spray some on my rims and I guess the rotors go some mist as well
Now my brembos are acting weird when I brake -.-

 

[FUNX650]

Since we r talking about LSP
Does anyone know how long it will take for permaon plant to wear off? I spray some on my rims and I guess the rotors go some mist as well
Now my brembos are acting weird when I brake -.-

Keeping in mind this thread-starter's Title:

Are the Brembos:
Beading; or Sheeting?



Bob

 

[TroyScherer]

Since we r talking about LSP
Does anyone know how long it will take for permaon plant to wear off? I spray some on my rims and I guess the rotors go some mist as well
Now my brembos are acting weird when I brake -.-

The friction of the pads on the rotor should remove Permanon almost immediately. I have sprayed my wheels and such many times and have never had this problem.

 

[fenderpicks]

Lol sorry I'm out ATM so I didn't want to make a thread about it
But it is beading on my brembos lol

Hmm that's weird I'm getting vibration from the steering wheels when I brake and is never happened before so i was thinking is the permanon

 

[ihaveacamaro]

IMHO...Then
24 hours...is probably not the waiting-period/'gold standard' you seek.

What would you say a gold standard for curing time would be then?

Before you apply an LSP:
-Check/Measure the, (I assume) water-beading/sheeting (if any) upon the:
Pristine, 'bare', and squeeky-clean...top coat paint-film.

This base measurement will allow for comparisons of any beading/sheeting caused by/from LSP's, further on down the road.

As this is for purely testing purposes, I will one up that standard by having half the hood with the LSP, and half of the hood without as a control

Note of interest:
Some LSP's are formulated to "Bead"...
Others are formulated to "Sheet".

Question: What model will you use to differentiate between these LSP's?


Bob

I will not differentiate, in fact I will test both beading and sheeting regardless of what LSP I use. :dblthumb2:

I will try to make my testing not include conclusions, interpretations, any thoughts on ease of use, durability, or price. What I plan to do is make it as objective as I can and leave it up to the viewer to decide with what they will do with that information.

 

[FUNX650]

What would you say a gold standard for curing time would be then?

IMHO:
If you honestly believe that the cure/total-cure times of the so many various,
differing LSP offerings can be truly ignored, in order that they be subjected to:
A Beading/Sheeting-Test...after a randomly selected 24 hour waiting-period...

-Then to answer the following question that you earlier posed...
I'll have to respond by giving it a resounding YES!!

Will checking too early affect later on beading and sheeting?

Bob

 

[ronkh57]

In the "good ol' days" we used to put wax on, wipe off after haze, let it bake in sun all day then hit it with a cold hose............ We used to say it hardened it up after the sun baked it on.

Wonder how much paint we really destroyed with the temp change.

THen again, we also used to "Put on a heavy coat of wax for winter" too

 

[weekendwarrior]

Woody Allen's movie "Sleeper" springs to mind...."in his time they thought red meat wasn't good for you"....

 

[Bill220]

Lol sorry I'm out ATM so I didn't want to make a thread about it
But it is beading on my brembos lol

Hmm that's weird I'm getting vibration from the steering wheels when I brake and is never happened before so i was thinking is the permanon

Sounds like you need rotors.


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