High Quality Wax, which one to Choose? Fuzion? Pinnacle?

sasson said:
Thank you for your information =)
I use clay, and Polish angel polish ( after compound )
But I do think that different waxes give different kinds of shine?
people won't just pay 13,000$ For "the best" wax while there is turtle wax for 10$.

- And yes, I agree with you!
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Boy are your wrong. I would love to business with you. I am 75 years old and have owed over 40 cars, other than the first few, all have been fairly expensive. During my life time have use all sorts of waxes. Very cheap to somewhat expensive. In term of wax,other than lasting time. I have not seem a real difference.
The difference that I have noted is in the skill of the person compounding and polishing the car. Not really the product.

The fellow that work for Max, I think is name is Phillips, can make a car pop with any junk. That is because he is just plain good.
 
FUNX725 said:
The only difference between paste/liquid/cream-waxes is their "form"...
The Chemists/formulators are usually bound by what the manufactures feel will be
the best "form", in terms of marketing a product to a specific/general demographic.

The "form" doesn't effect the product's performance.

:)

Bob
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The "form" does affect the limit (quantity) of some of the desirable ingredients, mainly carnuba. Most liquid waxes have much less carnuba compared to their paste counterparts. Hence, why MOST boutique or high end waxes come exclusively in a paste form.

I've only seen one review of Polish Angels wax. It got a so-so review.
 
sasson said:
Forgot to say, Amazing photos,
I am not quite sure how shiny, and glossy is Swissvax shield, it costs 200$ for 200ml container.
That's exactly 1ml for 1$ ( meaning every coat costs about 10$ ) that's not "CRAZY expensive" but it's ok.
I know it protects for 6 months, But yet there are waxes that swissvax have that costs over 1300$, they are their "Show car" waxes.
While Fuzion is wolfgang show car wax,
and pinnacle souveran is pinnacle's show car wax.
I Prefer a Show car wax, that gives shine and deep gloss then a wax that gives protection for twice the amount of time.

what do you think? would it give that much shine & gloss or just protection ?
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I definitely like the show waxes too, but I have seen the side by sides on almost all the SV waxes out there. In my opinion these are the order of what looks best:

Crystal Rock
Insignis V3
Shield
Mystery
Concourso
Mirage
Onxy

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Now when you are looking at these $$$ waxes, the whole "protection wax", "colour specific" wax drops basically. Personally I feel Shield is the best value because it can be a "show wax", but it keeps that deep pop for a long time. These waxes will not stain trim pieces like cheaper ones do, and if they dry or you leave them on too long before buffing, no problem!

Now people who say all wax looks the same, I have to ask how were you comparing? Wax must be compared next to each other to see the line. One cannot try one wax for a month, then strip it and put on another one and go off of memory.

People who say wax is wax. Lets compare chocolate. Expensive boutique chocolate is so much different than your run of the mill hersheys chocolate, but they have the same general ingredients in them; same applies to wax. It is more than just wax.

Having and using high end waxes are really good actually. They open your eyes to see what is what and how to judge other waxes. I thought the world of PBMG LSPs until I tried other products.
 
FUNX725 said:
The only difference between paste/liquid/cream-waxes is their "form"...
The Chemists/formulators are usually bound by what the manufactures feel will be
the best "form", in terms of marketing a product to a specific/general demographic.

The "form" doesn't effect the product's performance.
swanicyouth said:
The "form" does affect the limit (quantity) of some of the desirable ingredients, mainly carnuba.
Most liquid waxes have much less carnuba compared to their paste counterparts.
Hence, why MOST boutique or high end waxes come exclusively in a paste form.
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As for me:
I would rather be a thermostat, than a thermometer.

:)

Bob
 
I just used fuzion for the first time on my z this week. The car is 8 years old but people never believe it when they see it because its in pristine condition. Anyway, back to fuzion - So far I have received many compliments, one just this morning from a neighbor that just purchased a brand new black m3. He asked me who my detailer was? I told him i was. :). I purchased the smaller jar of Fuzion for $50 in casei didn't like it.

My process was clay, polish, klass all in one, klass sealant, and topped w fuzion. I think it looks great on my silverstone paint. I can try and post a pic tomorrow if you like.

W
 
Jaddie said:
Dear Sasson & Friends

I'm not an experienced detailer, but I still have some points you might consider:

  • Shine doesn't come from wax. Wax is just a protectant. Shine comes from a smooth surface, which comes from claying and polishing
  • I used a combination of clay, Ultima Paint Prep Plus, Ultima Paint Guard Plus, and Liquid Souveran to create a shine that was "vicious" and wet on our white 2012 Odyssey.
  • Your customers couldn't possibly care less about the name of the wax you use. They want shiny. Give them that with profit in mind.
  • Network with others to try waxes and polishes before you invest in them.
  • Find Junkman2000 on YouTube. He's very knowledgeable and just as entertaining. He has tons of videos.
  • Find opie7afe on YouTube. He used to be forum regular and knows a ton about detailing, especially with regard to bang for the buck.
  • CEE_DOG is a great person to know and one you can trust. Find him here.
  • Visit Live2Detail.com.
  • PBMG products are excellent, they offer an outstanding community, and the only thing I can "ding" them with is high-priced regular shipping.
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:iagree::iagree::iagree:
 
ntwillie1 said:
I just used fuzion for the first time on my z this week. The car is 8 years old but people never believe it when they see it because its in pristine condition. Anyway, back to fuzion - So far I have received many compliments, one just this morning from a neighbor that just purchased a brand new black m3. He asked me who my detailer was? I told him i was. :). I purchased the smaller jar of Fuzion for $50 in casei didn't like it.

My process was clay, polish, klass all in one, klass sealant, and topped w fuzion. I think it looks great on my silverstone paint. I can try and post a pic tomorrow if you like.

W
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I think I am confused, Did you like Fuzion ? or you didn't like fuzion ?

I see all the posts here are with mixed thoughts, I don't think I would pay over 200$ for wax, But I Think that Fuzion ( Less then 100$ Wax ) Is a great wax.
 
I am 75 years old and have owed over 40 cars, other than the first few, all have been fairly expensive. During my life time have use all sorts of waxes. Very cheap to somewhat expensive. In term of wax,other than lasting time. I have not seem a real difference.
The difference that I have noted is in the skill of the person compounding and polishing the car. Not really the product.

The fellow that work for Max, I think is name is Phillips, can make a car pop with any junk. That is because he is just plain good.[/QUOTE]

:iagree:

There is a lot of truths in the above statement !!
 
Robert8194 said:
Coke or Pepsi? Too much personal preference involved. I totally understand the price comments but I don't think there is anything better than Fuzion in the price range.
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Are you sure about that?

Some months back, Fuzion was $99 a can, with free refill, yet I was still reluctant to pull the trigger.

Why? At the $99 price, Fuzion was maybe worth the money, considering it was $50/can.

Now, at $195, they've just priced this wax out of any comfortable reach for any sane person to try. So, hate to sound like sour grapes, but they can keep it IMO.

And I'd probably be right to defy anyone to come along, with a blind test, where I did 1/2 the hood with Collinite 915, and the other 1/2 Fuzion, and tell me you can see a diffference?

Especially after I do a de-static-tize wipe down with a good detailer spray.

And which will probably last longer? Collinite 915. So, where's this inherit "value" of Fuzion?

Both, as I understand are hand poured.
 
MarkD51 said:
Are you sure about that?

Some months back, Fuzion was $99 a can, with free refill, yet I was still reluctant to pull the trigger.

Why? At the $99 price, Fuzion was maybe worth the money, considering it was $50/can.

Now, at $195, they've just priced this wax out of any comfortable reach for any sane person to try. So, hate to sound like sour grapes, but they can keep it IMO.

And I'd probably be right to defy anyone to come along, with a blind test, where I did 1/2 the hood with Collinite 915, and the other 1/2 Fuzion, and tell me you can see a diffference?

Especially after I do a de-static-tize wipe down with a good detailer spray.

And which will probably last longer? Collinite 915. So, where's this inherit "value" of Fuzion?

Both, as I understand are hand poured.
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I really like your view on this, I picked up some Pinn "Souveran" at Detail Fest and I topped Wolf Gang DGPS and I'm not sure about it yet. I'm using it on a Harley so the sun will be the test. I also picked up some Collinite 845 that I plan to use side by side. I love testing this stuff and all the help from "Ya'll" has sure helped me.
This is what I must try "Especially after I do a de-static-tize wipe down with a good detailer spray". I have never hearded of this but I have not liked the lint that seems to be stuck to the paint.
 
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