Those of you with bad backs, do you have a preferred DA?

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I wondered if those of you with bad backs (and that have tried several DA's) have a preferred machine that seems to minimize back aches?

The PC and the GG definitely leave me aching, but maybe machine polishing is just inherently hard on the back and a different machine wouldn't help.
 
I don't have a bad back but from what I read the rupes is supposed to be the most effortless.
 
A better machine may not be able to save you from back pain, it might just be the angles of your spine and muscles aiding in disaster.

Try and focus on how your body is positioned while you'e polishing. My wife is a massage therapist, and always gives me the same advice: "always stack the joints", and "never curl forward". I'm notorious for back pain after long days of correction and it's usually because i've gotten lost in the paint and ignored my posture during the process.

Hope this can help!
 
I know 68bowtie has repeatedly said that the Rupes was the best thing for his bad back.
 
I used my flex for 13 hrs this past details and my back wasn't hurting nearly as much as it did with the PC.
I was standing longer while using it
 
I always hear good things about the Rupes Bigfoot and IMHO since I tried it for 4 hours I honestly prefer my 3401 anyday. All these raves about the big throw is not really all that impressive. Now as far as the machine that I prefer since I have a bad back well I would say that the machine that gets the job done faster so I dont have to hunch for too long when Im working on the hood/roof/trunk.
 
After my back surgery it didn't matter what polisher I used.

What made it possible to do any kind of car work again was getting a four post lift.

That way everything is directly in front of me.

For the roof and hood I used a platform to stand on.

For polishers I have PC, Flex, Makita rotary, Flex rotary, a 3 inch, and a Cyclo. They all have their pluses and minuses. I make sure I take a break whenever I start to hurt or get stiff.
 
Here lately if it's anything more than WW/QD'ing sessions (such as running a polisher/buffer)...
I have "The Good Wife" do it. It's mostly her fault I have a bad back anyway!!

Question:
Has the Doctor that diagnosed you having a bad back, ever have you going through any physical therapy?
If not there are plenty of:
"Stretching for Strength and Flexibility" exercises that are a Godsend, if you're able to perform them.
Consult with your physician.

My biggest fault is not doing these stretching-exercises daily.
And not taking enough breaks.

:)

Bob
 
A better machine may not be able to save you from back pain, it might just be the angles of your spine and muscles aiding in disaster.

I'm sure there's something to that. However, I'm not sure how it's possible to use a machine polisher on a vehicle without curling forward and stretching into unnatural angles, especially when doing the hood and roof, and in some cases the trunk/rear area.

Even so, there are probably good ways and bad ways to handle those situations, assuming you can't meet the ideal. And for the lower parts like side panels, is it better to kneel, squat, sit on the ground, or sit on a low chair with wheels?

I wonder if AG could bring in someone like your wife and do a video which coaches someone on good vs bad body position while polishing the various sections of a typical car? Nick/Mike, would that be possible and useful from your perspective? Would others find this useful?

Even the younger guys that don't currently feel much back pain aren't doing their backs any favors, especially the ones that do this full time. For most people it will catch up to you eventually. At least, that's what all the statistics say.
 
Yeah, detailing sometimes kill my back and I don't even have real back problems. Sometimes it helps to 'one hand' the DA. What I do is lightly support myself with one hand on the car and use my other hand to work the DA. I think the PC is good for that since you can hold it with one hand. I'm not so sure about the flex though.

BTW: Keep pain pills handy.
 
And for the lower parts like side panels, is it better to kneel, squat, sit on the ground, or sit on a low chair with wheels?

I do all the above except the chair/stool with wheels. When I push against the panel the wheeled chairs roll me away from the panel (RAK transfemoral amputee like Mike). I do use a stationary chair sometimes. When doing vertical panels I found if I limit the right - left - right stroke on small areas like above the wheel openings and not pivoting my torso much, my back doesn't give me any trouble. It's the twisting back and forth that gets to my back.
 
I know this sound girly but Yoga has help a ton. I'm pretty fit and from that I stretch a lot so it helps.
 
I know this sound girly but Yoga has help a ton. I'm pretty fit and from that I stretch a lot so it helps.

You know a lot of people think yoga is wimpy. But man it really works and helps stamina. I did the p90x workout and I hated the yoga out of the whole workout regimen.
 
For me, using the equipment I had, it was the Cyclo on horizontal surfaces, and the Griot's on the sides that caused the least grief.
 
I know 68bowtie has repeatedly said that the Rupes was the best thing for his bad back.

Yes i have had the griots, flex and now the rupes. I have a hurniated disc, and two bulging discs so whatever makes the detail go faster and easier. The griots i hated because after doing a car i felt like my hands where still vibrating. THe flex was faster then the griots but it gave you more of a work out even more so on the vertical panels. The rupes is smooth, gets the job done fast and is so easy to use, after doing a car i didn't feel as tired as with the flex. It really comes down to what makes you feel more comfortable and gets the job done faster so your not putting extra stress on your back.
 
Well I have a bad back and shoulder. I built a seat with rollers. I through out a office chair but kept the whole 5 leged roller assembly and built a seat, it works perfect for all the vertical surfaces. For horizontal surfaces I use a old weightlifting belt that keeps my back straight, it works great but I`m not doing this for a living all day long, so YMMV. The key, depending on you back problem is keeping your back straight and bending from the hips a support belt worked for me. I have a PC 7424XP and have no problems with it.
 
Aw lawrd!!!!! Now you guys are starting a conversation in my area of expertise. It is soooooooo hard to resist not regurgitating a bunch of stuff, considering that for months I've been reading threads after threads from detailing experts, and although I can hold my own, I really have no real credentials to speak from, and therefore contribute little.

So what kind of alphabet soup do I have in front and behind my name to answer to this thread?? Well, I hold a post-professional doctorate in the field of physical therapy with a sub-specialty in orthopedic and manual physical therapy. I've been a practicing clinician (working for myself) for about 18 years. <---- sheesh, this always looks pompous when I read that kind of intro.

The answers provided so far are in line with common sense thinking, but unfortunately lacking a few important elements.

So here we go..... The basic answer is none of the DAs I have tried so far prevented me from having progressive back discomfort/pain. It is true that some vibrate more than others; some are heavier than others; and some have more torque than others etc... Using the GG6 required less effort than the Flex but also corrected slower. I also noticed the same with my Rupes. The Rupes was faster and more ergonomic than the GG6 and did correct faster but was a little more weight to handle.

The simplest answer is not which is best in general, but which is best for you! It all depends on your capacity and tissue tolerance, and how long you are planning on using the machine in one session. The most important question though is: "are you are planning to work with your body in mind (take break when it says) or fight it all the way (finish the job regardless of the consequences)?"

I agree with the above that exercising on a regular basis will help, same with using proper ergonomics, but no amount of exercise can prevent the consequences of chronic repetitive strains.

Here we could talk about the induced biomechanical forces of one polisher over another (as it pertains to horizontal vs. vertical surface polishing; using spinal force closure or form closure...... blah, blah, blah....). Let me spare you the scientific babbling and tell you that there are no safe polishers regardless of vibration, weight etc..

You can definitely improve your "life expectancy" through proper technique and regular exercises, but you cannot run away from the consequences of the wear and tear you are putting on your body. Think about the regular maintenance and polishing you are doing to your car. The more you touch it the more your induce scratches that you will then gently polish to restore the shine and maintain the value of your investment...... but you are not restoring the clear are you?

If you have a Rupes and physically feel that you can work longer hours compared to a Flex which, because of the forced rotation, and walking, and vibration etc..., only allows you to work 2/3 the amount of time, then you have to appreciate that the limitations you are experiencing are based on your physical capacity. Your bodies only have so much capacity/tolerance to handle and process the physical strain and associated byproducts of cellular work. Regardless of the way you want to justify it your capacity will be challenged by:

low work/long duration vs. heavy work/short duration.​

In the end though, your body only has so much to give (flexion, extension, rotations, compression, distraction etc...). This relative maximum is based on your personal genetic maximum. Exercising regularly helps to maximize your capacities/tolerance but does not immunize you from the long term effects of repeated abuse.

So what should be done? The answer was provided before in the form of proper technique and ergonomics, as well as exercising on a regular basis to achieve the most out of your own body.

Yoga only answers the need for mobility/flexibility and conditioning, but does not fullfill the requirements for strength and endurance (which you need). Similarly, strength training only fulfill the strength challenge but no cross over benefits are found in endurance or conditioning.

There are no AIO exercises.... you need diversification and experimentation, always challenging yourself to achieve the best results....sounds familiar??
 
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