New (better?) Take on The Grit Guard / 2BM

Guess I'm in the minority here but I think this is a huge waste of water just to keep a clean wash mitt. Just use more wash mitts or MF towels in the Gary Dean method. 2 bucket wash with 8-10 mitts would allow you to use a fresh one on each panel. If you like a dripping wet MF (not needed IMO) then just use one side and get another towel. I presoak each panel anyway. You'd need 8-10 mf's

I like the "think outside the box approach" but too much water is being used. Less would be used if you pressure washed the car then did the Gary Dean method.
 
My question is, after all this... is your car 100% swirl free?
 
So, I finally had a chance to try the bottomless second bucket.

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White: wash bucket (used Ultima Paint Guard Wash / BMW Sheepskin wash mitt)
Orange: bottomless 2nd bucket
Red: wheels

Video in action:

http://youtu.be/IkEY4oxiYwk

Some observations:

First, I want to pat myself on the back for building this thing perfect. I was wondering if I may have cut too much "bucket" away to hold the grit guard in place or make the whole contraption itself flimsy. But everything worked perfect. The grit guard didn't twist, move, bend, sink in or fly out of the bucket.

I cut the bucket just right so all the water exits it quickly, but everything stays in place. The fuel line tubing I used to line the grit guard to make it sit higher in the bucket worked perfect and it all stayed put under the pressure washer. So, I was pretty thrilled I was able to make it the way I imagined it the first time and it worked well.

Disadvantages:

1. You get wet using this. Water tends to splash back.

2. You do use a lot of water. This isn't too big of a deal because I tend to use a ton of water anyway. I mean when its hot, I end up rinsing down the whole car to keep it wet constantly during a 2BM to prevent water spots. I foam the car, sometimes twice and rinse. I rinse my mitts, wheel tools, and buckets to death. I flood water off the car when done. Until its illegal, I'll still keep using a lot of water.

3. It takes more time to rinse the mitt out this way then it does to rinse it normally in the second bucket. Sort of a PIA, but not too bad.

Advantages:

1. You can wash the whole car in any order without worrying about contaminating your wash or rinse water. Normally I save the bumpers for last because they are dirtier that the rest of the car. Now I can do the back bumper whole doing the trunk (2 mitts) and the front while washing the hood - same with the rocker panels. This means less back and forth. It was kind of nice.

2. Since you rinse bucket holds no water, your only lugging half the amount of water around the car. Wether you use bucket dollies or not, its easier to have a rinse bucket that weighs almost nothing to bring around the car.

3. When I was done I checked to bottom of the soap bucket for dirt. Theoretically, you would be blasting 100% of the dirt away with clean water, so it should be 100% dirt free. That's theoretically. In actuality, there was some floating dirt. When I say "some", I mean very very little.

However, I always check the soap bucket and there is always a little bit of dirt at the bottom, I'm not working in a sterile environment.

Conclusion:

I think where this device shines is in 2 situations:

1. The car is very dirty or your cleaning something very dirty like neglected wheels with a mitt.

2. Its great to blast dirt out of anything. I unused it to blast my mitts soap free when I was done. The came out clean. Its also great to rinse out pads or anything else you would want to blast dirt out of with a pressure washer but don't feel like chasing across the parking lot, or holding in your hand and getting soaked.
 
You are correct that when using the Dean method (conventional wash soap) by the time you get to the 3rd or 4th fold of your MF towel, there is little soap left.

There is a very simple solution to this...a combination of Dean method, and the Larry K (AMMO NYC) method...you simply use a foam gun in place of the soapy bucket.

Just shoot fresh soap solution onto the panel (and also on the MF towel) and that's it. You accomplish two things:

1) You always have clean wash media by using MF towels folded in quarters.

2) You always have a clean supply of soap (not recycled 2B soap)

Fresh wash media + fresh supply of soap solution = safest possible way to wash....that is until a reliable touchless method comes along.
 
Disadvantages:

3. It takes more time to rinse the mitt out this way then it does to rinse it normally in the second bucket. Sort of a PIA, but not too bad.

The time factor is what kills it for me. I'm sticking with the GDM for that reason alone. However, as far as the 2BM is concerned, if time isn't an issue, this is a great improvement and an ingenious idea!
 
Good idea and yes a huge waste of water this won't fly in most states.
 
The Gary Dean method has two distinct advantages. You never touch the paint with dirty media, and it saves a lot of water which is turning into a precious commodity. To be able to safely wash a car and save water is the challenge.

I honestly think the answer to many of our washing challenges is to adopt what a majority of Europeans are using and that is essentially the touchless wash. It's not perfect as nothing is because you still have to rinse, but its as close as you can get to hand wash quality without ever touching the paint.

It seems there are a few companies that have developed a presoak product that is applied with a garden sprayer. It does not harm the LSP, but it leaves the paint almost perfectly clean once its allowed to soak then rinsed off.

It's not an all purpose cleaner or some variation thereof. It's designed from the ground up as a specialized pre wash product that has the advantages of an all purpose cleaner without harming the LSP. They have put a premium on bringing such products to market. I don't know of a single American company that has such an offering outside the convention all purpose cleaner which strips off wax or sealants at high concentrations.

I know of one particular company in Ireland that has perfected the formula to such a level that the others are playing catch up. Seems conventional foaming, rinseless washing, and the 2B method are suddenly being replaced with pre soaking in Europe where water is not restricted.

This is not perfect as I said because you do require a water source in which to rinse, but bringing us closer to a touchless method to wash a car without hurting the LSP is where I think the next breakthrough is going to be.

Most of us apply something to the paint after we wash so that step is not eliminated but to have a car essentially squeaky clean without touching the paint before we apply a post- wash product is exciting news to me.

Eliminating or significantly reducing the need for wash mitts, buckets, foam guns, and lots of MF towels seems like a natural thing. Those who manufacture and sell those things won't be too thrilled but they will have to change as better methods of safely washing cars are developed. It's all good for us.

Incredible thought went into your idea. Now if only you were a chemist!

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. I'd be interested in any links you have regarding this subject if you don't mind :)
 
I actually think this a great idea for rinsing out really dirty rags, dirty wheel brushes, really anything dirty. Its always good to clean thoroughly when you are finished using car detailing tools so I can see this working. I however wouldn't use this method for washing the car. In my opinion, it would take extra time (not always a bad thing) but like you said "there was still dirt in the soap bucket".
 
I actually think this a great idea for rinsing out really dirty rags, dirty wheel brushes, really anything dirty. Its always good to clean thoroughly when you are finished using car detailing tools so I can see this working. I however wouldn't use this method for washing the car. In my opinion, it would take extra time (not always a bad thing) but like you said "there was still dirt in the soap bucket".

It does take longer and use more water. But, its great for cleaning pads, detailing tools, towels or whatever. One big advantage it you only have to lug or wheel 5 gallons of water around the car instead of 10, which makes it easier.
 
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