new car polish

[jimjc]

I have 2 new cars White pearl and light silver, Honda Accords, with no paint defects at all.

All I want to do is bring the gloss up. I`m looking for a polish that can be used in steps that is not aggressive at the beginning in other words a ultra fine finishing polish that doesn`t require a large amount of knowledge to apply successfully. I`m not a novice but have not used polish before. I guess I`m saying that I want a polish that removes very little paint with one application

I have a PC7424xp and polishing/ finishing pads.

What would be the recommendation for a polish

 

[c8n]

If you have no defect, why would you want something that will remove paint?

 

[Wheelzntoys]

Gloss amp with Menz 4500 and black pad.

Make sure to do Baggie test, might require claying.

Which wax/sealant will you use?

 

[dorkiedoode]

Menzerna SF4500 with black lc pad. Long work time, Very little cut, and it'll give your cc maximum gloss. Make sure to do ipa wipe down after due to high oil. Then you can seal it with anything you like. Sealant will last longer than wax. Or opti-coat for the longest almost 2 years of protection or so they claim.

 

[jimjc]

Gloss amp with Menz 4500 and black pad.

Make sure to do Baggie test, might require claying.

Which wax/sealant will you use?

I used Collinite 845 but in as much as it`s long lasting it isn`t very shinny. so I was thinking Menzurna Power Lock sealant. I was going to use 85rd but backed out from ordering it, why I don`t know I`m guessing the Men 4500 and the Powr lock would make a good combo.

 

[jimjc]

Menzerna SF4500 with black lc pad. Long work time, Very little cut, and it'll give your cc maximum gloss. Make sure to do ipa wipe down after due to high oil. Then you can seal it with anything you like. Sealant will last longer than wax. Or opti-coat for the longest almost 2 years of protection or so they claim.

Yep I should have gone with my first thought the Men 85rd...Do you know if the Opti-coat is easy to apply. The wipe down with ipa is important, I never thought thanks

 

[jimjc]

If you have no defect, why would you want something that will remove paint?

I`m not looking to fix defects I`m looking to bring up the shine, I thought I made that clear. Thanks for the help

 

[runrun411]

Try Poorboys White Diamond. Very slick stuff.

 

[c8n]

I`m not looking to fix defects I`m looking to bring up the shine, I thought I made that clear. Thanks for the help

Then wouldn't you want to use a pure polish with no abrassive?
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought you said you have Meg's Show Car Glaze in another thread? I believe that is a polish with no cut.

Perhaps you are not happy with the Meg's glaze and you are looking for a better alternatives?

Either way, it's your car and you can do whatever you want but if it was my car and it had no defects, I would not want to use any product with any kind of abrassives, however light it may be. No need to remove any clear coat in my opinion.

From what I can tell and someone can correct me if I am wrong, Menz SF4500 contains abrassives and since you asked for a polish with light cut, this would fit that description.

If you are looking for an alternative to the Show Car Glaze, runrun411 suggestion of White Diamond contains no abrassives which is something I would try if I was in your shoes.

Just my two cents. Take it for whatever its worth.

 

[jimjc]

Then wouldn't you want to use a pure polish with no abrassive?
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought you said you have Meg's Show Car Glaze in another thread? I believe that is a polish with no cut.

Perhaps you are not happy with the Meg's glaze and you are looking for a better alternatives?

Either way, it's your car and you can do whatever you want but if it was my car and it had no defects, I would not want to use any product with any kind of abrassives, however light it may be. No need to remove any clear coat in my opinion.

From what I can tell and someone can correct me if I am wrong, Menz SF4500 contains abrassives and since you asked for a polish with light cut, this would fit that description.

If you are looking for an alternative to the Show Car Glaze, runrun411 suggestion of White Diamond contains no abrassives which is something I would try if I was in your shoes.

Just my two cents. Take it for whatever its worth.

First I mentioned that years ago when I had my Mercedes cars I used Megs show car glaze and #26 yellow wax, those were no clear coat paints and my cars looked perfect

I was under the impression to bring up the gloss in a paint one needs to polish it.

All I wanted to do is bring up the gloss in both my new cars

Everyone has suggested I need a polish. I said if I use a polish I only want to remove the smallest/ tiniest amount of clear if I have to to bring up the gloss.

I have just looked up the PB white diamond and the world EX sealant and it looks v. good from what I read these will work together.

I just finished one car with Collinite and when comparing it with my other new car done with NXT2.0 finished 2 monthe ago the Collinite car does not look any glossier.

So you are now saying that to make the car glossier I could use the above PB`s products. Thanks for the help

 

[c8n]

2 things...
1. A paint will not look its best if it has defects: scratches, swirls, and etc. If this is the case, yes you want a polish with some cut to knock those out as scratches and whatnot will hinder the way light should reflect.

2. If the paint is flawless (free of defect), there is no point of removing a layer of clear coat as there are no obstacles to disrupt the way light should reflect.

Perhaps you did not know that certain polishes contains no cuts or abrasives. I call them glazes but do read the descriptions as they will spell out whether or not they contain abrasives.

I think you are like most AG members and are chasing that perfect shine which makes this hobby so much enjoyable. Making your paint flawless is #1. Once that is taken care of, you just need to experiment with different glaze/wax/sealant combinations to achieve the results that you want. I would not bother with glazes if my paint is flawless as the major point of glazes is to hide the defects. Although I am sure some can potentially enhance the shine in some way.

I believe Meg's 26 is a carnauba wax. However, NXT is a synthetic. I am not sure what Collinite is as I think the description says its carnauba based but judging by its durability, I would guess its some sort of a hybrid.

The reason I mention the above is that generally speaking, those enthusiasts with very discriminating eye can tell the difference between carnauba and synthetic and you appear to be one of them.

My experience with carnauba and synthetics is that synthetics tend to be very crisp and sharp but almost 2D and flat if you will. However, synthetics have the longer durability and better protection? and hence it's usually the goto wax on daily drivers. Carnauba on the other hand does not protect as well as synthetics and does not last as long. But, in my opinion they have better depth and that glossy wet look... more 3D as I like to say.

When I have time, I like to layer waxes. The base is the sealant for the enhanced protection and the topper would be a carnauba for the aesthetics. However, protection is more important for me so you will never see my car without a sealant but there will be many times when it will not have carnauba.

If you really like the Meg's 26, try Meg's Gold Class Plus which is also a carnauba. It's pretty cheap at around $10 at Walmart. Or, you can try out those boutique waxes but they can get very expensive.

But instead of taking off another layer of clear coat which will do no good as far as your quest is concerned (if you have no defects), experiment with different waxes and try layering with different combinations. You probably won't find that perfect one in one shot but that's the fun of this hobby!

 

[jimjc]

2 things...
1. A paint will not look its best if it has defects: scratches, swirls, and etc. If this is the case, yes you want a polish with some cut to knock those out as scratches and whatnot will hinder the way light should reflect.

2. If the paint is flawless (free of defect), there is no point of removing a layer of clear coat as there are no obstacles to disrupt the way light should reflect.

Perhaps you did not know that certain polishes contains no cuts or abrasives. I call them glazes but do read the descriptions as they will spell out whether or not they contain abrasives.

I think you are like most AG members and are chasing that perfect shine which makes this hobby so much enjoyable. Making your paint flawless is #1. Once that is taken care of, you just need to experiment with different glaze/wax/sealant combinations to achieve the results that you want. I would not bother with glazes if my paint is flawless as the major point of glazes is to hide the defects. Although I am sure some can potentially enhance the shine in some way.

I believe Meg's 26 is a carnauba wax. However, NXT is a synthetic. I am not sure what Collinite is as I think the description says its carnauba based but judging by its durability, I would guess its some sort of a hybrid.

The reason I mention the above is that generally speaking, those enthusiasts with very discriminating eye can tell the difference between carnauba and synthetic and you appear to be one of them.

My experience with carnauba and synthetics is that synthetics tend to be very crisp and sharp but almost 2D and flat if you will. However, synthetics have the longer durability and better protection? and hence it's usually the goto wax on daily drivers. Carnauba on the other hand does not protect as well as synthetics and does not last as long. But, in my opinion they have better depth and that glossy wet look... more 3D as I like to say.

When I have time, I like to layer waxes. The base is the sealant for the enhanced protection and the topper would be a carnauba for the aesthetics. However, protection is more important for me so you will never see my car without a sealant but there will be many times when it will not have carnauba.

If you really like the Meg's 26, try Meg's Gold Class Plus which is also a carnauba. It's pretty cheap at around $10 at Walmart. Or, you can try out those boutique waxes but they can get very expensive.

But instead of taking off another layer of clear coat which will do no good as far as your quest is concerned (if you have no defects), experiment with different waxes and try layering with different combinations. You probably won't find that perfect one in one shot but that's the fun of this hobby!

Thanks again for all your help, I really don`t want tp remove any paint on new cars. so I`ll as you suggest experiment

 

[silverfox]

You don't need to polish paint to amp up the gloss. You polish paint to remove defects. Polish=abrasives, even finishing polishes like SF 4500. Glazes are better at amping gloss. I would go with CG Blacklight or EZ Creme Glaze or Blackfire Gloss enhancing Polish, and then top it with a sealant.

I've used SF 4500 over the years, and frankly its not worth the price for the little extra gloss you "may" get out of it. I say may because you may just as easily not. You have to REALLY work it. Plus, its got oils in it and requires that you clean the paint before laying down a sealant. A lot of cost and work for the extra little you get out of it. For shows cars..yes, for DD, save your $$ and your arms.

 

[c8n]

Thanks again for all your help, I really don`t want tp remove any paint on new cars. so I`ll as you suggest experiment

You will find on this forum, members either wanting to trade products or some selling a sample size of a product to test out and they include waxes. You might want to look into that instead of buying a whole bottle for x amount of dollars only to discover you don't really like it.

Michael Stoops at Meguiars uses the following signature on his posts.

"Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy."

 

[jimjc]

You will find on this forum, members either wanting to trade products or some selling a sample size of a product to test out and they include waxes. You might want to look into that instead of buying a whole bottle for x amount of dollars only to discover you don't really like it.

Michael Stoops at Meguiars uses the following signature on his posts.

"Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy."

HAHA I subscribe to Mr Stoops signature 100%. That`s a good idea to buy some samples. AH, things used to be so simple 20 yrs ago just a handful of products to choose from....Thanks

 

[jimjc]

You don't need to polish paint to amp up the gloss. You polish paint to remove defects. Polish=abrasives, even finishing polishes like SF 4500. Glazes are better at amping gloss. I would go with CG Blacklight or EZ Creme Glaze or Blackfire Gloss enhancing Polish, and then top it with a sealant.

I've used SF 4500 over the years, and frankly its not worth the price for the little extra gloss you "may" get out of it. I say may because you may just as easily not. You have to REALLY work it. Plus, its got oils in it and requires that you clean the paint before laying down a sealant. A lot of cost and work for the extra little you get out of it. For shows cars..yes, for DD, save your $$ and your arms.

Yep I`m learning Idon`t need to polish, my old thinking was you have to make the paint glossy before topcoat. Those oils need special cleaning. Well I`m convinced I don`t need to polish Thanks Jim