Paint Issue - Etching..?

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I have an Azure blue 2004 Mustang Mach 1 with low miles that has been garage kept by me, and the previous owner who had it since 2006. From a distance, the paint looks great for its age. When you get up close, you notice etching (or something) in what looks to be the clear coat. This is in most of the horizontal surfaces of the car; the hood, roof, and fender tops and a little in the door tops. The degree of inperfections is various throughout. Some seem like they are kind of deep. I am stepping outside to take close-up pics right now, so stay tuned for a brief intermission...:D
 
I can't see anything. Maybe other detailers can. Step out again and put your finger where the problem is. (The more the merrier)
 
Oops, those didn't turn out as I expected. Let me see if I can zoom in and crop to a few of the spots I'm talking about.
 
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^Here's a cropped pic with arrows pointing out a few of the etches.

They are light colored around them probably becasue it's crazy sunny out (for a change) today. I could probably get better pics in the garage with the fluorescent lights, I guess.
 
Have you tried doing anything?

If I was you I'd first wash the car to see what happens and see if the spots become duller.

If they do then maybe a a clay could remove this.

If not i'd start with a light polish, by hand a MF towel. Then keep moving up till I I got to Compound.

I'd work in a small area and work at it very lightly each step all by hand.

See how it goes and report back.

Oh and make sure the car surface is not hot.

Good luck
 
Have you tried doing anything?

If I was you I'd first wash the car to see what happens and see if the spots become duller.

If they do then maybe a a clay could remove this.

If not i'd start with a light polish, by hand a MF towel. Then keep moving up till I I got to Compound.

I'd work in a small area and work at it very lightly each step all by hand.

See how it goes and report back.

Oh and make sure the car surface is not hot.

Good luck

I tried a clay bar and that didn't seem to touch it. I've been afraid to try anything other than wax/cleaner wax because I'm not sure what to look for to know if you are cutting too deep.

Is a "scratch remover" the same as a polishing compound?

Thanks for the help!
 
I'm not familiar with scratch remover.
You can go to to your local auto store, like pep boys and they should have Meguiar's ultimate polish and compound.

Start with the polish then proceed with compound if the polish doesn't work.

What detailing supplies do you have?

If this doesn't work you might have to machine polish even wet sand but don't want to advise on that.

Anybody else want to chime in?
 
Is it possible that these are rocks that hit the hood mate !

As some wrote , I have trouble looking at the pics , but it might be from my end .
 
Does your fingernail get stuck when you run it through this area? View attachment 18442

Yup, they are kinda sunk in. We're talking a mm, maybe a half of a mm.

I've not bought anything to tackle this prob. I'll I have is the typical basics like microfiber wax pads and microfiber towels. I've been using Mothers brand products, but I will be selecting a favorite product based on my forum reading and trials. I wanted to discuss this prob with the experienced people so I don't waste my money.

Here is a video I just took. Maybe it helps some..?

http://youtu.be/AJboO1PKYeE

I took some pics in my garage and will post after I crop them. No sunshine this time. :)
 
Is it possible that these are rocks that hit the hood mate !

As some wrote , I have trouble looking at the pics , but it might be from my end .

I do have rock chips, but these look more like something got on the paint. :confused:
 
thats road rash on the paint similar to what you will see on your windshield. basically like the leading edge being sand blasted. you will see this on the front clip of every and any car that drives on the highway.
 
thats road rash on the paint similar to what you will see on your windshield. basically like the leading edge being sand blasted. you will see this on the front clip of every and any car that drives on the highway.

This is all over the hood, roof and tops of the fenders and doors. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment, but I appreciate your opinion. Thanks
 
Nobody has any ideas? Should I have a detailer asses the paint in person?
 
What about acid rain etchings? Thats what it looks like after seeing the video.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ypes-water-spots-type-i-type-ii-type-iii.html


3 - Types of Water Spots - Type I, Type II and Type III



Water Spots are more complex than most people assume because there are different types of water spots. Some water spots are merely mineral deposits on the surface left behind after water with minerals has evaporated off the surface. These deposits can often be washed off the paint using a quality car wash soap.

Sometimes these deposits can also leave an imprint in the paint in the perimeter of the spot and in these cases the imprint must be removed using a compound or paint cleaner as it's a defect in the paint, not simply a deposit on the paint. Some sources of water, be it rain with air-borne pollution mixed-in, or sprinkler water from a city water supply or well water, can have corrosive enough elements in it that it will actually eat into or etch the paint leaving a depression or crater in the paint where the water dwelled or dried.

A Type II water spot can only be removed by leveling the surrounding paint by hand or machine with some type of abrasive compound or paint cleaner.


Type III Water Spots are primarily a stain in the paint which looks like fading where water pooled and then dwelled for some measure of time. This primarily happens to single stage paints which tend to be more porous and thus will absorb water into itself. If Type III Water Spots are limited to only the upper surface of the paint then they can be removed by abrading the paint by hand or machine with a compound or polish.

Before attempting to remove water spots it is important to first diagnose which type of water spot is affecting your car's paint.



Type I Water Spots
These are Mineral Deposits or what people commonly call "Hard Water Spots". It's the minerals in water that people are referring to when they use the word "hard" in the term "Hard Water Spots.

Type I Water Spots are primarily a mineral or dirt deposit laying on the surface of paint. Type I Water Spots can be the results of minerals suspended in city water or well water that are left behind after the water evaporates off the finish. This can happen by washing a car but not drying the water off the paint or if a sprinkler goes off next to the car covering the car with water drop that are not dried off the paint.

Type I Water Spots can also be dirt or pollution particles left behind after water from rain or inclement weather evaporates of the finish. Type I Water Spots can also be Type II Water Spots in that the water can leave both a deposit on the surface and an etching in the finish.


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More Hard Water Spots or Mineral Deposits Caused by a Sprinkler

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When following the approach of using the least aggressive product to get the job done, the first thing you want to do is to see if you can either wipe the sprinkler water spots off or wash the sprinkler water spots off. Since this car was recently washed and waxed and it's kept inside a garage when not being driven, we're going to try to wipe them off using a spray detailer with a clean, plush microfiber towel.


When removing fresh water spots, use your spray detailer heavy, or wet. Using a product heavy or wet means using extra product, more than you might normally use. The reason for his is you want lots of lubrication on the surface to help prevent any potential scratching or marring of the finish as you're wiping.

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Remember, always fold your microfiber towels 4 ways to give you 8 wiping sides with plenty of cushion to spread out the pressure from your hand and wipe the paint gently.

Start out by spreading the spray detailer around to one section and then flip or fold your microfiber towel to a fresh or clean portion to remove the residue and buff to a dry, high shine.
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Luck is with us... the paint is safe as the Sprinkler Water Spots did not etching into the paint and using plenty of spray detailer and a clean plush microfiber towel left a scratch-free finish.

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Type II Water Spots
Type II Water Spots are actual etchings or craters in the paint because something corrosive in a water source has landed on the paint and was not removed before a portion of the paint was eaten or dissolved by the corrosive substance.

I took this photo myself when I helped Alex Fong from Corvette Forum remove a zillion Type II Water Spots out of the clear coat finish on his Corvette.

Photo Courtesy of MeguiarsOnline.com
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Here's a close-up of the same photo, if you look closely you can see the edges are angled downward as this is an actual etching "into" the clear paint.
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Type I and Type II Water Spots
In some cases, a water spot can be both a Type I and a Type II, that is you can have Mineral Deposits on the sitting on top of the surface and the water could have been corrosive enough to also etch the paint leaving a crater in the paint where the spot formed.

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More Type I and II
These water spots look like they're established water spots, that is, every time it rains, or a sprinkler goes off, the water pools in the same place giving any corrosive substances repeated opportunity to etch into the paint.

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Visually, I can tell the paint is likely etched in this instance but I won't know till I get the surface clean. The first step is to wash or wipe the finish, in this instance I'm going to repeat wiping process I used on the Mercedes-Benz with a spray detailer.

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After wiping the paint clean, there are water spot imprints remaining in the paint.

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Type III Water Spots
Type III Water Spots are spots that look faded or dull and are found primarily found on single stage paints after a water source lands on and then pools on the paint and is usually left to dwell on the surface for some measure of time before it evaporates or is wiped-off the surface.

Modern clear coat paints tend to be harder and impermeable, that is non-porous, so liquids don't penetrated easily and thus stain spots tend to be topical, that is only affect the very upper surface and are easier and safer to remove with a compound or polish.

Older single stage paints tend to be soft and permeable, or porous, it's common for liquids to penetrate into the paint and stain the paint below the surface. Removing stains out of single stage paints can be risky because in order to remove the stains you have to abrade the paint and if the stains penetrated deep then you risk removing too much in an effort to try to remove them completely.

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What you can do also is go to a body shop and ask them what do they think is wrong with the car. (Just for there opinion)

So you can gather as much information as possible
 
What you can do also is go to a body shop and ask them what do they think is wrong with the car. (Just for there opinion)

So you can gather as much information as possible

I confess, I did do that and I felt like they were just BS'ing me to get work. They did say it was acid rain, but didn't believe them. I have never seen that on car paint before, so when they wanted $4,500 to repainted the car, I thought I was being played. :(. That's why I came here. I wanted some opinions from people who basically restore paint. For the most part, the paint looks good. It's just the close-up look reveals what you guys have seen. I could visit a detail shop and see what they say.

I really appreciate all your opinions guys.
 
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