NEW! DP Paint, Wheel, & Glass Coatings + Coating Prep Polish!

Nick@Autogeek said:
1. Yes. How much? A lot.
2. I've never personally measured, but I would imagine it does.
3. Slicker than Opti-Coat, which is known to be "grabby."
4. More so than factory clear coat, yes.
5. Educate her! :) Consistently using the wipers will decrease the life of any glass coating.
6. I've experimented with layering and didn't really notice any benefit, therefor I do not layer the coating.
7. I'll keep that in mind!
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Hi Nick,

Im a big fan of autogeek/PBMG and have spent a lot of money on this and sister sites. However, those answers simply are not good enough.

When asked about how PBMG arrived at the quoted 2 years of protection, your answer was "a lot of testing." I asked for details and none were provided.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ding-detailer-s-paint-coating.html#post918673

How much UV protection? "a lot"

Is there measurable thickness? "I've never personally measured, but I would imagine it does"

More scratch protection than factory clear coat?

When you make claims like the above, and you are the rep for the manufacturer, you have to provide better information than generic statements/puffery. Someone knows how much UV protection is in the product. If you dont know, ask up the chain of command.

How much work would it be to take a paint thickness reading, apply the coating, and re-measure? How actually was the 2 year durability and scratch resistance determined?

Clearly users are finding the application of the paint coating to be inconsistent and that the application instructions are not detailed enough. Were multiple applicator products/techniques tested? Which do you recommend? Maybe a foam/microfiber applicator should be included for the $50 price tag.

I have bought, paid for, and received both the new paint and wheel coating. I will hold off on applying until I see other peoples experiences with the application process. Please don't take this post as pure criticism, I just want some more detailed answers to perfectly reasonable questions that the manufacturer should be able to answer. When your answers are generic, you risk coming off as a hype product. Thanks!
 
mavin said:
When you make claims like the above, and you are the rep for the manufacturer, you have to provide better information than generic statements/puffery. Someone knows how much UV protection is in the product. If you dont know, ask up the chain of command.
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As the manufacturer of the product, we have to be careful of what information is revealed that is not relevant to what's already outlined on the bottle or the website. A lot of coating manufacturer's make claims that are not always relevant in the first place. A great example is how much "film thickness" is added - there are way too many variables to give a definitive answer. If someone must know the answer to that question, they will have to test it for themselves.

Look at the BIG PICTURE and enjoy the product for what it is. Rest assured that every shampoo, detail spray, wheel brush, or paint coating that is manufactured by PBMG is extensively tested to ensure it meets all claims.

:dblthumb2:
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
As the manufacturer of the product, we have to be careful of what information is revealed that is not relevant to what's already outlined on the bottle or the website. A lot of coating manufacturer's make claims that are not always relevant in the first place. A great example is how much "film thickness" is added - there are way too many variables to give a definitive answer. If someone must know the answer to that question, they will have to test it for themselves.

Look at the BIG PICTURE and enjoy the product for what it is. Rest assured that every shampoo, detail spray, wheel brush, or paint coating that is manufactured by PBMG is extensively tested to ensure it meets all claims.

:dblthumb2:
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Thanks for the reply. Having been around the site for awhile, I have seen competitors with coating products have the chemists/formulators post detailed and specific replies to similar questions.

If the company policy is not to address/release the above information, it probably is best not to make a claim at all if you can't back it up with evidence.

When a pharmaceutical company comes out with a new drug, and makes all sorts of claims, we don't just take their word for it. They have to test and provide evidence that it does what it says it does.

Re: Application process. Any chance you can throw Mike in the studio and shoot an up close video of him applying? Seems like people are having issues with flashing/knowing if the product is still being applied. I did see his post with pictures, but I always find videos helpful for newbs like me.

Thanks!

Edit: Also, what is the recommended wait time between spray/application and the microfiber wipe down?
 
Yes, if more technical information can't be given out, at least more detailed application instructions and tips would be nice.

-best applicator choice?
-coverage per spray?
-time between application and wipe down?
-time between application and full cure?
-application temps/humidity to avoid?
 
So day 1 starts today. Just polished, prep polished and coated my headlights. I'll be posting a review and tracking progress shortly.

Initial impressions. Applies very easy, currently curing but application of both prep polish and the coating could not have been easier.
 
cleanmycorolla said:
So day 1 starts today. Just polished, prep polished and coated my headlights. I'll be posting a review and tracking progress shortly.

Initial impressions. Applies very easy, currently curing but application of both prep polish and the coating could not have been easier.
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which variant did you put on the headlights?
 
mavin said:
Hi Nick,

Im a big fan of autogeek/PBMG and have spent a lot of money on this and sister sites. However, those answers simply are not good enough.

When asked about how PBMG arrived at the quoted 2 years of protection, your answer was "a lot of testing." I asked for details and none were provided.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ding-detailer-s-paint-coating.html#post918673

How much UV protection? "a lot"

Is there measurable thickness? "I've never personally measured, but I would imagine it does"

More scratch protection than factory clear coat?

When you make claims like the above, and you are the rep for the manufacturer, you have to provide better information than generic statements/puffery. Someone knows how much UV protection is in the product. If you dont know, ask up the chain of command.

How much work would it be to take a paint thickness reading, apply the coating, and re-measure? How actually was the 2 year durability and scratch resistance determined?

Clearly users are finding the application of the paint coating to be inconsistent and that the application instructions are not detailed enough. Were multiple applicator products/techniques tested? Which do you recommend? Maybe a foam/microfiber applicator should be included for the $50 price tag.

I have bought, paid for, and received both the new paint and wheel coating. I will hold off on applying until I see other peoples experiences with the application process. Please don't take this post as pure criticism, I just want some more detailed answers to perfectly reasonable questions that the manufacturer should be able to answer. When your answers are generic, you risk coming off as a hype product. Thanks!
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I think you are being too hard on the kids here Marvin.

Do you honestly expect companies to withhold the release of products such as coatings for years just so that they can give "definitive" answers to meticulous questions? Ok, lets say for instance Nick says it lasts 2 years. I live in Southern Illinois, a very rough climate full of hot cold and wild weather. What will last for 2 years for a garage queen might not last 2 years for other vehicles.

There is relativity in every single product out there, with very few exceptions. Nothing works exactly the same for everyone.

Also, if you apply the paint coating exactly as the label recommends you will have no issues at all. However, if you are an experienced detailer with lots of time in WOWA products you can apply it in much less time, because of some tricks that can be utilized.

When I first started using Opti-Seal, it took me dozens of applications before I could "perfectly" apply it. No wonder people are having issues with applying this product, it is just like a wowa product, but as a coating.

Coatings are not simple or easy to apply, I've done many many Opti-Coat Pro applications, and STILL find it finicky at times.

If everyone was at the same skill level, with the same experience, there would not be near as many issues. As people get more familiar with the product, people will make write ups, and the learning curve will go down. :dblthumb2:
 
VP Mark said:
I think you are being too hard on the kids here Marvin.

Do you honestly expect companies to withhold the release of products such as coatings for years just so that they can give "definitive" answers to meticulous questions? Ok, lets say for instance Nick says it lasts 2 years. I live in Southern Illinois, a very rough climate full of hot cold and wild weather. What will last for 2 years for a garage queen might not last 2 years for other vehicles.....
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I'm sorry if I am being harsh, I am really not trying to I promise. As I said, I have bought these products myself. I am a newbie/weekend warrior who just plays with my daily driver and my girlfriends if she lets me :)

I do not expect that they hold the release of the product for 2 years while they test it, that would be unreasonable. All I wanted to know is how they came up with that timeframe. Is it based on similar products on the market? He said that it is harder/more scratch resistant than clear coat, how did he arrive at that conclusion? Just saying, we tested it, trust me, is evasive and raises eyebrows.

"We performed internal testing with a panel, one section coated with DP Paint coating vs. an uncoated area. We used 0000 steel wool/whatever to induce maring. The coated panel showed increased resistance to RIDS/swirls/scratches."

I dont think that is an unreasonable thing to ask!

I am just someone who likes to research/thoroughly understand purchases I make and products I use. My apologies if I came off as rude or demanding!
 
It's interesting that after all the hype about being so easy to apply, there are still many users having issues with application...just as we have heard with all the other coatings when they first came out.
 
VP Mark said:
Also, if you apply the paint coating exactly as the label recommends you will have no issues at all. :
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Here is the back of my bottle:

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Ensure surface is cool to the touch and out of direct sunlight.

Polish the paint using Detailer’s Coating Prep Polish. (The PBMG rep on the phone when I called told me that since I had the P21S paint cleaner that I did not need the coating prep. My plan was to wash/clay/SF4000/IPA)

Spray product directly onto the paint and evenly distribute using a foam applicator.

Work the coating into the paint until it disappears.

Lightly buff with a clean, soft, lint-free microfiber towel.

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The bolded section is what people seem to be having issues with, in that it is instantly flashing. Do you have any tips for me to use before I try to apply it? I was planning on using a yellow foam applicator pad.
 
silverfox said:
It's interesting that after all the hype about being so easy to apply, there are still many users having issues with application...just as we have heard with all the other coatings when they first came out.
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Key word being user. I had no issues so far. And several other reviewers have had no issues. Those that aren't familiar with wowa products seem to be having most issues as I see it.

Again I just used it and reviewed it. It's very easy, not like omg easy, but easy enough a kid could do it if you showed them.
 
cleanmycorolla said:
Key word being user. I had no issues so far. And several other reviewers have had no issues. Those that aren't familiar with wowa products seem to be having most issues as I see it.

Again I just used it and reviewed it. It's very easy, not like omg easy, but easy enough a kid could do it if you showed them.
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I mysels have some experience under my belt with a few WOWA products bought here.
WGDGLS, Opti-Seal, and UPGP. And if you wish to include CarPro CQuartz DLX, and GTechniq C4, I guess one could call those WOWA Coatings as well.

First WOWA I ever used was UPGP, a small sample was given to me, and yes, I did over-apply on my first try. That was evidenced by some hazing, no doubt due to application, and were high spots that simply needed to be wiped again a time later to level, and distribute. I got better with the the second time.

First WOWA I bought, Opti-Seal, and this was fairly easy, very little in the way of hazing high spots first time using it, and by the time I bought the WGDGLS, that was ultra easy, and would see no hazing after application, I felt of the three WOWAs the WG Liquid Seal seemed the easiest.

Same with CQUartz DLX, absolutely no issues, perfect results first time out, but not so with GTechniq C4, that product hazed-greyed after a period of 1-1/2 to 2 weeks time on a part that was treated.

What I noted as a characteristic of the Dertailer's Paint Coating, was an apparent high volatility , and virtual instant evaporation of the carrier agent, that was what made it harder to apply in my personal instance. Definitely different behavioral qualities between this, and other WOWA's I've used IMO.

Whether this was influenced by what paint prep product I used beforehand, yes, this could be a possibility. One way to find out for myself, is buy the recommended Detailer's Paint Prep Product, and try again on some other vehicle.

I can understand that it's sort of like a cake recipe, change one ingredient, then wonder why the final results changed?

There may be other variances of use, and final results that I personally cannot answer. Weather conditions, Temps, Paint, Prep, user error, age of product, etc. etc.
Mark.
 
MarkD51 said:
I mysels have some experience under my belt with a few WOWA products bought here.
WGDGLS, Opti-Seal, and UPGP. And if you wish to include CarPro CQuartz DLX, and GTechniq C4, I guess one could call those WOWA Coatings as well.

First WOWA I ever used was UPGP, a small sample was given to me, and yes, I did over-apply on my first try. That was evidenced by some hazing, no doubt due to application, and were high spots that simply needed to be wiped again a time later to level, and distribute. I got better with the the second time.

First WOWA I bought, Opti-Seal, and this was fairly easy, very little in the way of hazing high spots first time using it, and by the time I bought the WGDGLS, that was ultra easy, and would see no hazing after application, I felt of the three WOWAs the WG Liquid Seal seemed the easiest.

Same with CQUartz DLX, absolutely no issues, perfect results first time out, but not so with GTechniq C4, that product hazed-greyed after a period of 1-1/2 to 2 weeks time on a part that was treated.

What I noted as a characteristic of the Dertailer's Paint Coating, was an apparent high volatility , and virtual instant evaporation of the carrier agent, that was what made it harder to apply in my personal instance. Definitely different behavioral qualities between this, and other WOWA's I've used IMO.

Whether this was influenced by what paint prep product I used beforehand, yes, this could be a possibility. One way to find out for myself, is buy the recommended Detailer's Paint Prep Product, and try again on some other vehicle.

I can understand that it's sort of like a cake recipe, change one ingredient, then wonder why the final results changed?

There may be other variances of use, and final results that I personally cannot answer. Weather conditions, Temps, Paint, Prep, user error, age of product, etc. etc.
Mark.
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My comment wasn't directed toward you or anyone in particular, I just noticed that as a trend! :)

I would assume using the prep polish is ideal, as they're designed to work together. Put it this way. Had I not had the prep polish I would not have coated my headlights today. I wanted to be sure I had the prep the product needed! :props:
 
cleanmycorolla said:
My comment wasn't directed toward you or anyone in particular, I just noticed that as a trend! :)

I would assume using the prep polish is ideal, as they're designed to work together. Put it this way. Had I not had the prep polish I would not have coated my headlights today. I wanted to be sure I had the prep the product needed! :props:
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Yes, I understand, and agree.

This thread is getting long, so forgive me if it has been mentioned by you or others, but have you used this on any paint yet?

If yes, or if some others can comment, or Nick, etc, am I experiencing what others are, in that the product flashes virtually immediately?

If so, and you think there's no product, then does one just keep rubbing-spreading, even though one is not witnessing any product?

I did this, in the hopes of not using an excessive obscene amount of this product, and the one thing I did notice as I massaged it in further, was some hazing-clouding occurring.
This hazing-clouding was the only guide that sort of helped 'see' where I had gone, and where to continue from.
Mark
 
I had used the prep polish, used the autogeek sold yellow foam applicator, and it felt like dry wiping within seconds on my 75 degree in-garage application. I couldn't see the coating well enough due to the paint color so had no idea if I was applying the right amount. Foam rubbing paint with that much friction doesn't feel right, so I sprayed more to make up for it.

I'll pull the car out into the sun probably this evening for the first time so I'll see if I left a streak mess. But if the high spots can simply be buffed off with a QD then it's no big deal. If they are pretty permanent then that will suck.
 
bcwang said:
I had used the prep polish, used the autogeek sold yellow foam applicator, and it felt like dry wiping within seconds on my 75 degree in-garage application. I couldn't see the coating well enough due to the paint color so had no idea if I was applying the right amount. Foam rubbing paint with that much friction doesn't feel right, so I sprayed more to make up for it.

I'll pull the car out into the sun probably this evening for the first time so I'll see if I left a streak mess. But if the high spots can simply be buffed off with a QD then it's no big deal. If they are pretty permanent then that will suck.
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How else did you prep the car? Wash, polish, clay? Etc?
 
cleanmycorolla said:
How else did you prep the car? Wash, polish, clay? Etc?
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-nanoskin medium clay
-clay magic blue clay
-mothers power polish with orange pad on GG DA at 5
-dp paint coat prep with white pad on GG DA at 3
-dp paint coat on yellow foam applicator, 8 sprays I think for just the hood.
-No buffing since nothing I could see to buff out

I guess I didn't follow instructions explicitly since I didn't buff it, but the step before I thought I failed to do correctly anyway. Hopefully too thick a coating doesn't take forever to cure or end up a streaky mess. By the way, what is the cure time on this, it doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet?
 
The coating does flash quicker than Opti-Coat and the like, but as previously mentioned, if you take your time and work one panel at a time, the coating is fool proof in its application. If the paint feels excessively "grabby" during application, spritz the panel once more and look for any high spots.

For those that have used popular wipe on, wipe off sealants including Opti-Seal and Crystal Seal, application of Detailer's Paint Coating is nearly identical, except you tend to use a tad more product.

Here is how I apply the coating:

Working one panel at a time, I spray the product directly onto the surface (a fender would receive 3 sprays) and quickly distribute it using a foam applicator. Immediately after, I take a microfiber towel and lightly buff the panel, not applying any pressure.

It's that simple. :dblthumb2:
 
My first try with the coating I over applied. I was working on a white car in crap light conditions (wasn't in my own garage). I buffed after each application just to make sure I wasn't leaving any high spots since I couldn't see how the product was being distributed. I also used Griot's Pre Wax Cleanser instead of the DP prep polish. I had already spent almost 10 hours on the car and didn't feel like another round with the DA. The foam applicator was grabby at first but then I experimented with how I was holding it and that helped alleviate some of the problem. I held it with my 3 middle fingers on the back of the pad and my thumb and pinky were holding the edges on the front of the pad. If I didn't hold it that way it kept wanting to roll the edge over.

My second attempt at using the coating went much better. I used the DP Prep Polish with a white pad on speed 3.5 on my GGDA. The only problem I had with the polish was some dusting towards the end of doing my hood (I have only done the hood so far). This may have been due to not brushing the pad often enough or may just be a characteristic of the product. The coating went on much easier when I used the prep polish. The main thing that helped me was using work lights above each section I worked on. Having really good lighting was the key for me as it really helps you see where the product is being applied.

It does flash very fast so you have to pay close attention as you glide the applicator over each section you are working on.

-Tom
 
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