Very Frightening

[Claude]

Hello Everyone,

I have a black '07 Silverado while washing it this morning i noticed some unusual marks on the paint. I think i know what it is, but im hoping its not and i can fix it myself. Tried getting my nail stuck on it, it doesnt its smooth no lip on it or anything.

So here is a photo of just one of them, but there are 6 of them on the whole vehicle.




It Looks Like a ClearCoat failure, if it is then thats a shame, the vehicle has only 25k miles on it.

Thanx In Advance
Claude:buffing:

 

[newbdetailer]

Unfortunately that is it... (crows feet) I have tons of them on the hood, tops of fenders, and roof near the windshield. Luckily you can only see them when standing near the truck (Ranger). Remember, you have a 6yo black truck... the paint can get hot. It looks like you take good care of it, but it happens. Nothing you can really do about it..

 

[tuscarora dave]

Time to switch to a clear sealant so they'll be less noticeable as time goes on.. I've found that an IPA soak and a concentrated stream of water from a garden hose will remove a good bit of the white you see in the crack before sealing.

Also, these crow's feet will be a place to avoid while pressure washing so that the pressurized water doesn't lift a silver dollar sized piece of paint off of the vehicle.

 

[Claude]

Time to switch to a clear sealant so they'll be less noticeable as time goes on.. I've found that an IPA soak and a concentrated stream of water from a garden hose will remove a good bit of the white you see in the crack before sealing.

Also, these crow's feet will be a place to avoid while pressure washing so that the pressurized water doesn't lift a silver dollar sized piece of paint off of the vehicle.

what do you mean sealing?
r u saying there is a way to stop this from going any further, or worse? I counted 9 so far, at different areas of the truck.

What products are you recommending?
Im all ears, i really love this truck and hate to get rid of it because of this.

Claude

 

[Flash Gordon]

The beginning of the end ...

 

[tuscarora dave]

what do you mean sealing?
r u saying there is a way to stop this from going any further, or worse? I counted 9 so far, at different areas of the truck.

What products are you recommending?
Im all ears, i really love this truck and hate to get rid of it because of this.

Claude

What I am recommending is that instead of using a carnauba wax on your truck, instead use a clear synthetic polymer sealant such as one of these in the links below. I'm sure other members can offer other suggestions too.

Optimum Opti-Seal 8 oz. Free Bonus! New & Improved!

Ultima Paint Guard Plus 4oz., paint sealant, liquid wax, car wax, paint sealer

Carnauba wax, while a lot of them will go on looking great and appear to be invisible (having optical clarity that is) even in the crow's feet, will tend to revert back to their natural color as the solvents used in them evaporate off, leaving a yellowish-white crust of wax down in the actual crack of the crow's foot.

A clear polymer sealant goes on easy, bonds with the paint on a molecular level (cross linking to the paint) and will not leave a white-yellow buildup in the crow's foot, so you won't see it nearly as easy. It will actually (with continued use of clear sealants) become very hard to find those crows feet even when looking for them.

Read about polymer sealants in the product descriptions for instructions as for their use, and of course ask many questions.

Unfortunately though........I have to agree with Flash Gordon's comment.

 

[Claude]

What I am recommending is that instead of using a carnauba wax on your truck, instead use a clear synthetic polymer sealant such as one of these in the links below. I'm sure other members can offer other suggestions too.

Optimum Opti-Seal 8 oz. Free Bonus! New & Improved!

Ultima Paint Guard Plus 4oz., paint sealant, liquid wax, car wax, paint sealer

Carnauba wax, while a lot of them will go on looking great and appear to be invisible (having optical clarity that is) even in the crow's feet, will tend to revert back to their natural color as the solvents used in them evaporate off, leaving a yellowish-white crust of wax down in the actual crack of the crow's foot.

A clear polymer sealant goes on easy, bonds with the paint on a molecular level (cross linking to the paint) and will not leave a white-yellow buildup in the crow's foot, so you won't see it nearly as easy. It will actually (with continued use of clear sealants) become very hard to find those crows feet even when looking for them.

Read about polymer sealants in the product descriptions for instructions as for their use, and of course ask many questions.

Unfortunately though........I have to agree with Flash Gordon's comment.

Oh, i thought you meant somethign to stop it....
I have used carnauba wax once on this vehicle, it kept on hazing due to the heat off the paint. Sealant is the only thing on the vehicle and topped off with Zaino's Z-CS.

Yes i am sure Flash's comment is true.
We are driving the vehicle to St. Augustine and it will be garaged there for the winter and we then drive it back to NY in march.

Maybe i can find a good painter in florida and drop it off or i might just get it wrapped and just leave it in florida garaged.

Or trade it in for another pickup as long as its NOT a dark color.
so many decisions....geeez.

Thanx in advance

Claude

 

[newbdetailer]

Don't let it get you down. It isn't noticeable to anyone other than you.
These pics don't do my failure any justice.

No reason to sell the truck just for that. Only a couple of people have noticed the issue. Fortunately for me though, the Ranger is an 02 but has over 300,000 miles on it.

 

[Claude]

Don't let it get you down. It isn't noticeable to anyone other than you.
These pics don't do my failure any justice.

No reason to sell the truck just for that. Only a couple of people have noticed the issue. Fortunately for me though, the Ranger is an 02 but has over 300,000 miles on it.

when did you start noticing the clearcoat failure?
and how long after it ended up like it is in the photo?

Claude

 

[newbdetailer]

I started noticing it when it was about 5 or 6 years old. At first I only saw it on the driver side fender so I thought it was from battery vapors (as the battery was right under there) then I saw it on the passenger side. It went downhill fairly fast, but it seems like it isn't getting any worse. The roof gets neglected the most (usually skip waxing and claying there) and that may be why its the worst.

It is most noticeable after a wax, but after a wash, you start not seeing them as much.

 

[Claude]

I started noticing it when it was about 5 or 6 years old. At first I only saw it on the driver side fender so I thought it was from battery vapors (as the battery was right under there) then I saw it on the passenger side. It went downhill fairly fast, but it seems like it isn't getting any worse. The roof gets neglected the most (usually skip waxing and claying there) and that may be why its the worst.

It is most noticeable after a wax, but after a wash, you start not seeing them as much.

interesting, im thinking of applying a sealant like Gtech or optimum since there are no swirls on the vehicle...i just finished polishing out whatever swirls i had. I know one thing im going to need a poop load of the stuff, lots of metal to seal...

Thanx for your help and info

Claude

 

[MarkD51]

interesting, im thinking of applying a sealant like Gtech or optimum since there are no swirls on the vehicle...i just finished polishing out whatever swirls i had. I know one thing im going to need a poop load of the stuff, lots of metal to seal...

Thanx for your help and info

Claude

I'm thinking you're meaning a "coating", not a sealant?
Like Opticoat, GTECH C1/EXO, CQuartz, or 22ple, correct?

I was thinking this too, and I would assume that some highly durable coating along these lines might at least arrest further damage from occurring? And as well make what is already there less noticeable?

Yep, you might be needing two of the large bottles of any of these Coatings like CQuartz, but I guess there's an upside by the use of these, a lot less maintainence long term.
Mark

 

[BradsDetailing]

Honda gets crows feet all the time. I am a member of the 8th gen civics and nearly the majority of all 06-09 civics get this. Check the warranty. I know Honda increased their;s to help cover most if not all the expenses to get it repainted.

 

[Claude]

I'm thinking you're meaning a "coating", not a sealant?
Like Opticoat, GTECH C1/EXO, CQuartz, or 22ple, correct?

I was thinking this too, and I would assume that some highly durable coating along these lines might at least arrest further damage from occurring? And as well make what is already there less noticeable?

Yep, you might be needing two of the large bottles of any of these Coatings like CQuartz, but I guess there's an upside by the use of these, a lot less maintainence long term.
Mark

Yep, i meant coating. thinking the less i play with the paint works from now on the better and less damage to the clear. Im also looking to wrap the vehicle, Getting some prices on doing that.

Claude

 

[Claude]

Honda gets crows feet all the time. I am a member of the 8th gen civics and nearly the majority of all 06-09 civics get this. Check the warranty. I know Honda increased their;s to help cover most if not all the expenses to get it repainted.

I went to the dealer, where i purchased the vehicle and the got the GM rep to look at the vehicle...they tell me he was impressed with the vehicle and how immaculate it is but they wont cover it under warrant or anything. They actually thought it was a 2013 model till they looked at the reg. That went out the window.

Its between wrapping it in Matt Black finish or Looking around for an excellent body shop that does some great painting. Both must be in Florida, since the vehicle will be driven there and garaged for the winter.


Claude

 

[BradsDetailing]

To me it's a defect in the paint. Honda has admitted this. If you have a bumper to bumper warranty I would fight it.