Klasse AIO as a QD?

[Don M]

• NEVER USE DISH DETERGENT for washing your car. Use a capful of this polish instead. Although you will not have a foamy cleaning solution, dirt will be lifted from your vehicle’s surface.


This comment is taken from the AG online store about washing your car with Klasse AIO. I'm assuming they mean a LIGHTLY dusty/dirty car. So I'm wondering if I could mix a capful or so in a spray bottle and make a QD with it.

I have to go pick up the wife from my MIL's house so I'm trying to stall and I had to think of SOMETING to ask :xyxthumbs:

 

[FUNX650]

• NEVER USE DISH DETERGENT for washing your car. Use a capful of this polish instead. Although you will not have a foamy cleaning solution, dirt will be lifted from your vehicle’s surface.

This comment is taken from the AG online store about washing your car with Klasse AIO.

NO, NO...
That's not how it's interpreted by me.
Always wash the vehicle before polishing...Even with an AIO!!

I'm assuming they mean a LIGHTLY dusty/dirty car. So I'm wondering if I could mix a capful or so in a spray bottle and make a QD with it.

I don't use Klasse AIO as a detail-spray/spray-wax.
For that I use Klasse HGSG.

TO WIT:

-For a "Quick Detailer Spray": 1:6 ratio of KHGSG:UQD (approx. 1/2oz KSG:8oz. UQD)

-For a "Detail Spray Wax": 1:4 ratio of KHGSG:UQW (2oz KSG:8 oz. UQW)

KHGSG=Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze
UQD=Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Detailer
UQW=Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax

NOTE:
Some folks will use other products for obtaining a KHGSG "detail-spray".




Bob

 

[Ipsdrew]

NO, NO...


-For a "Detail Spray Wax": 1:4 ratio of KHGSG:UQW (2oz KSG:8 oz. UQW)




Bob

This I need to try. I get 6+ months from the khgs as an lsp so I wonder how durability would compare when mixing and applying with the uqw?

 

[statusdetailing]

I wonder if it could be mixed with onr.

 

[FUNX650]

This I need to try. I get 6+ months from the khgs as an lsp
so I wonder how durability would compare when mixing and applying with the uqw?

I use it as a "freshen-up"...

Never have determined this particular spray-wax mixture's: Stand-alone durability (longevity?).

I'm sure it would be quite dramatic (in a good sense), though.




Bob

 

[FUNX650]

I wonder if it could be mixed with onr.

^^^Good question.^^^ rops:

As a follow-up:
Will ONR's "polymers" play nice with KHGSG's "acrylic polymers", or not?

Hope the following helps in some way.


Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine's MSDS:
Polymer Blend In Water
(No hazardous ingredients listed)

Meguiar's UQD G144's MSDS:
Isopropanol............................................67-63-0........5-2.0 %
Propylene glycol mono-n-propyl ether.....1569-01-03........5-2.0 %
Ingredients non-hazardous..........................................Balance

Meguiar's Ultimate Wax G175's MSDS:
Conditioners (Trade Secret).......................................<5%
Ingredients determined not to be hazardous [Mfr.]...95-98%

It's been stated that KHGSG is:
A 100% acrylic-based sealant that...
Uses water as its carrier-system.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

-It appears to me that these products, including ONR, are miscible with KHGSG.

-According to some posts I've read on the AGO forum...
Folks have used other rinseless products with KHGSG.

-It doesn't sound possible on paper...But:
Shouldn't some "waterless" products also be miscible with KHGSG as well?



Bob

 

[statusdetailing]

I think i will try out onr and khgsg just for the heck of it. If it works it might be good for my express detail.

 

[Klasse Act]

Well I mix in KSG w/ my rinseless made as a QD, picked up on it from someone here who did it (wish I could remember who posted that so I could thank them) and it works great for me. That said, this is a first for me to hear about KAIO being used to make a QD.



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[Don M]

The most import part is the prep. You didn't mention KAIO but I would suggest getting/using some in your prep before applying KSG.

I just applied 3 coats of KSG this past weekend to start my winter prep. I Mixed my KSG 2:1 with Distilled water. (2 parts water / 1 part KSG) In the past I have used it straight but I wanted to try it this way and see if there is any difference. I found mixed at this ratio or even 3-or-4:1 the KSG application dries faster and you can re-coat after an hour or so. I applied 4 layers over 2 days and didn't buff anything off until after the last layer had setup.

Either way I would suggest transferring an ounce or more of product into a small travel sprayer. I would mist the pad first and get it primed. Begin to Glide it across each panel and continue on until the applicator get grabby. If as you apply it you have a film left keep spreading!!! The thinner you apply it the easier it is to remove. The first time I used KSG I ended up with some spots that were rock hard because I applied it like a thick paste wax the way my father taught me. :awman: Not fun. After the 1st vehicle I haven't had any problems.

While looking around the forum, I found this post by Troy. So it started me wondering if I could use the KSG as a QD (for after a wash) or if this is meant more for applying a layer of KSG to the paint. I have two spray bottles, one a 3.9 oz and a 2 oz, which I could use. One with full strength KSG, for applying coats, the other with a 2:1 water/KSG mix for QDing or residue removal during the application of a coat if I inadvertently put it on too thick in an area.

Yes I'm being cheap instead of just buying a dedicated acrylic QD, but I now owe my brother $16,000 for paying to get my basement waterproofed, so I really don't have the extra money to buy goodies.

 

[TroyScherer]

While looking around the forum, I found this post by Troy. So it started me wondering if I could use the KSG as a QD (for after a wash) or if this is meant more for applying a layer of KSG to the paint. I have two spray bottles, one a 3.9 oz and a 2 oz, which I could use. One with full strength KSG, for applying coats, the other with a 2:1 water/KSG mix for QDing or residue removal during the application of a coat if I inadvertently put it on too thick in an area.

Yes I'm being cheap instead of just buying a dedicated acrylic QD, but I now owe my brother $16,000 for paying to get my basement waterproofed, so I really don't have the extra money to buy goodies.

This mixture is more about diluting KSG slightly to make it easier to apply. Once you get the hang of it using it straight in a sprayer is upper easy.

This mixture would be good to help remove any stubborn KSG haze from your application.

I wouldn't use this as a QD though. There is no cleaning ability in KSG. So it is not really a good option of a QD unless you are going to use it post wash on an already dried car. This would then be more of a top up product like a spray sealant.

The new version of KSG is sold under the Werkstat line and is call Acrylic Jett. They have a "trigger" version that is basically KSG with a spray head. It works great.

 

[FUNX650]

While looking around the forum, I found this post by Troy.
So it started me wondering if I could use the KSG as a QD (for after a wash)
or if this is meant more for applying a layer of KSG to the paint.
I have two spray bottles, one a 3.9 oz and a 2 oz, which I could use.
One with full strength KSG, for applying coats,
the other with a 2:1 water/KSG mix for QDing or residue removal during the application of a coat if I inadvertently put it on too thick in an area.

Yes I'm being cheap instead of just buying a dedicated acrylic QD,
but I now owe my brother $16,000 for paying to get my basement waterproofed, so I really don't have the extra money to buy goodies.

I thought that you stated the product was Klasse AIO in your thread title and OP?



Bob

 

[Don M]

This mixture is more about diluting KSG slightly to make it easier to apply. Once you get the hang of it using it straight in a sprayer is upper easy.

This mixture would be good to help remove any stubborn KSG haze from your application.

I wouldn't use this as a QD though. There is no cleaning ability in KSG. So it is not really a good option of a QD unless you are going to use it post wash on an already dried car. This would then be more of a top up product like a spray sealant.

The new version of KSG is sold under the Werkstat line and is call Acrylic Jett. They have a "trigger" version that is basically KSG with a spray head. It works great.

That's what I was getting at, a POST WASH QD. There is little water remaining on the sides of the car after rinsing, that by the time I get to the sides, much of that water has evaporated, leaving mild water spots. I was thinking of using the water/SG mix as a wipe down to get rid of the water spots after the wash, AND as a way of making the SG easier to remove in case I applied it too thick in an area.

 

[Don M]

I thought that you stated the product was Klasse AIO in your thread title and OP?



Bob

Originally, yes I was asking about the Klasse AIO because in the "Tips" section of the description page they mentioned washing the car with a capful of AIO, but since the general consensus was against using the KAIO/water as a QD, I decided against trying that. Then I saw the post by Troy and it got me wondering about using the SG as a post wash QD and a residue removal aid.

I just didn't think that starting a new thread was necessary.

 

[FUNX650]

Then I saw the post by Troy and it got me wondering about using the SG as a post wash QD and a residue removal aid.

I just didn't think that starting a new thread was necessary.

Some of that information was also included in the posts that followed your OP?



Bob

 

[statusdetailing]

Tried it last night. Mixed a little ksg witg onr. Its not miscible. Separates into little chunks and looks cloudy. Nevertheless, i shook the bottle up and used it as a qd/spray sealant after doing a quick was on my jeep. It doesnt streak at all. . .applies very easily. I tried it on my front windshield to see what happens...no streaks but will it hold up? I have power lock on the jeep already but after the ksg qd it did give it that classic super shiny candy coated look that klasse is famous for. Will it hold up? I doubt but it was a fun experiment and i keep an eye on it to see what happens.

 

[TroyScherer]

That's what I was getting at, a POST WASH QD. There is little water remaining on the sides of the car after rinsing, that by the time I get to the sides, much of that water has evaporated, leaving mild water spots. I was thinking of using the water/SG mix as a wipe down to get rid of the water spots after the wash, AND as a way of making the SG easier to remove in case I applied it too thick in an area.

KSG should be applied to a dry car. I would not use it as a drying aid wipe down. It doesn't have any cleaning ability so if you use it to remove the water spots, something else is removing them not the KSG. It might work, but I have not tried it. For a QD type product I use Sonus Acrylic Spritz, or Sonus Acrylic Glanz. They were made more for this purpose. Never underestimate the using the proper tool and product for the job.

 

[FUNX650]

For a QD type product I use Sonus Acrylic Spritz, or Sonus Acrylic Glanz.
They were made more for this purpose.
Never underestimate the using the proper tool and product for the job.

-Who are the folks behind the formulation of these two Sonus acrylic-products?

-Do these Sonus acrylic-products' ingredients really differ from an admixture of:
Meguiar's Quik Detailer/Klasse HGSG?



Bob

 

[Don M]

KSG should be applied to a dry car. I would not use it as a drying aid wipe down. It doesn't have any cleaning ability so if you use it to remove the water spots, something else is removing them not the KSG. It might work, but I have not tried it. For a QD type product I use Sonus Acrylic Spritz, or Sonus Acrylic Glanz. They were made more for this purpose. Never underestimate the using the proper tool and product for the job.

I'm not having a problem removing the water spots with just the damp drying mf, I was just worried about it not having enough lubricity and possibly marring the paint. But so far, the KSG has been remarkably scratch/swirl resistant. I guess I'll just keep doing as I have been, I've been getting great results so far. :xyxthumbs: