Pinnacle vs Meg.

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How's Meg Ultimate Wax compare to Pinnacle Liquid Souveran wax ? I got a sample bottle of the Pinnacle Liquid Souveran and had enough to layer 3 coats on my white Charger. It was easy on easy off and the shine (on white paint ) is incredible. I'm willing to pay more and wait to get Pinnacle by mail, while Meg's can be bought OTC every where.
 
One looks better and the other is much less expensive and lasts much longer.

It's your call.
 
I just used the Meg Ultimate Wax and was blown away with the shine for the money spent. In fairness I want to try the pinnacle
 
silverfox said:
One looks better and the other is much less expensive and lasts much longer.

It's your call.
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Liquid Souveran is said to last longer than the Paste version (right on product pages). I would have thought MUW and PLS would be about the same in terms of durability. I have not tried MUW so for me this is just a paper exercise.
 
I used them both on a side by side black panels and could not tell any difference.
 
Right now I'm a Pinnacle Signature enthusiast. Been using it last six months because it's supposed to look better on lighter vehicles (Silver metallic TCH). Looks great. I use it on my dark maroon car as well and I can't see how anything would outperform it regarding depth and shine. Looks as dramatic as anything I've seen over the internet or in person. Just picked up another tub due to last weeks sale. I'm probably guilty of waxing too often because it's so easy to use.
Problem is, there's too many excellent products to choose from in many categories. Too many choices......Be well,
Elliot
 
For the most part it's all about preference try them both and decide on which one you like better. That's what you'll be most happy with in the end.
 
I usually don't buy PBMG products, NOT because they aren't amazing, but because I already have my favorites from over the years and I find them pricey for being in-house brands. At any rate, I wanted to say I have still been going through my OLD formula of the liquid Pinnacle, and it... is... amazing!

I can't imagine how good the NEW version is that came out last year I believe it was - but I'm looking forward to it. The EASE of application AND wiping off is RIDICULOUSLY good. Like, in a league of its own GOOD. :)
 
boostgst said:
junkman says it don't matter which wax you use
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There's definitely a difference. This is something I could spend quite a deal of time discussing. I'm not sure who junkman is, but I mean NO OFFENSE to him whatsoever, but from my perspective there are several reasons why there are hundreds of waxes on the market from $10 to $4,000 (Swissvax makes a duo that is almost $4,000).

I won't give an exhaustive dissertation here, but everything from the ingredients (grade of carnauba, amount of crystalline polymers, etc etc), to the ease of both application and more so the ease of removal, to the LONGEVITY of beading and protection and gloss endurance, to the variance the wax provides regarding whether it is a warm deep type of gloss, or a hard candy-shell shallow yet shiny type of gloss, and on... and on... and on... all factor into WHY you use the wax you use. As a matter of fact, even the paint color and type all come into play! :)
 
Mfour said:
I just used the Meg Ultimate Wax and was blown away with the shine for the money spent. In fairness I want to try the pinnacle
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Not singling this post out, but I always think it can't look "great" if someone has to put the disclaimer "for the money I spent" or "for what it costs". That means to me it looks good, but you feel it could have looked better if you spent more.

There are good waxes that are cheap and there are great waxes that are expensive. If you think "its all the same" I almost feel bad for you. Obviously a wax that is blue, red, or yellow in a tub is blue, red, and yellow on your paint - albeit a thin layer hard to see. Where its noticeable is where you stand back and look at the whole vehicle.

If you think of it this way, you wax tub is "waxed", just with a very thick coat. Now can you see the difference?

Probably both the waxes you are looking at are fine. But, most anal picky detailers will tell you a paste wax will look better than a liquid.
 
Dynamic_Detailing said:
There's definitely a difference. This is something I could spend quite a deal of time discussing. I'm not sure who junkman is, but I mean NO OFFENSE to him whatsoever, but from my perspective there are several reasons why there are hundreds of waxes on the market from $10 to $4,000 (Swissvax makes a duo that is almost $4,000).

I won't give an exhaustive dissertation here, but everything from the ingredients (grade of carnauba, amount of crystalline polymers, etc etc), to the ease of both application and more so the ease of removal, to the LONGEVITY of beading and protection and gloss endurance, to the variance the wax provides regarding whether it is a warm deep type of gloss, or a hard candy-shell shallow yet shiny type of gloss, and on... and on... and on... all factor into WHY you use the wax you use. As a matter of fact, even the paint color and type all come into play! :)
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he definitely misquoted junkman, junkman's take on waxes and sealants is that when being used on a well cared for or show car finish you shouldn't try to use wax to obtain shine, that the paint should be made shiny by proper correction, waxes and sealants are for protection not shine, (although many do have oils and fillers to give a shiny look to the paint). but he does say there are definite quality differences in both sealants and waxes.
 
cplchris said:
he definitely misquoted junkman, junkman's take on waxes and sealants is that when being used on a well cared for or show car finish you shouldn't try to use wax to obtain shine, that the paint should be made shiny by proper correction, waxes and sealants are for protection not shine, (although many do have oils and fillers to give a shiny look to the paint). but he does say there are definite quality differences in both sealants and waxes.
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Exactly! Junkman followers know what I'm talking about. Wonder what he would say when asked this question? Pinnacle vs Meg?? I'm sure there is a difference but his theory makes sense. Side by side I doubt you would be able to tell the difference. But who am I to say I'm just a noob and I'm here to learn.:dblthumb2:
 
cplchris said:
he definitely misquoted junkman, (junkman2000 on here and youtube), junkman's take on waxes and sealants is that when being used on a well cared for or show car finish you shouldn't try to use wax to obtain shine, that the paint should be made shiny by proper correction, waxes and sealants are for protection not shine, (although many do have oils and fillers to give a shiny look to the paint). but he does say there are definite quality differences in both sealants and waxes.
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Ahhhhh, ok... I see, makes sense! Thanks.

He does have a decent point there.
 
Regarding waxes, he had a contest for people to guess what final finishes he put on the subject automobile. People had to give their guesses whether it was a sealer, waxes, paint coating or what combination there of was used to obtain a real specimen of a shine. I'll let you search for it so you can decide as well. I'll look for it and add it on if I can find it.

elliot
 
Dynamic_Detailing said:
There's definitely a difference. This is something I could spend quite a deal of time discussing. I'm not sure who junkman is, but I mean NO OFFENSE to him whatsoever, but from my perspective there are several reasons why there are hundreds of waxes on the market from $10 to $4,000 (Swissvax makes a duo that is almost $4,000).

I won't give an exhaustive dissertation here, but everything from the ingredients (grade of carnauba, amount of crystalline polymers, etc etc), to the ease of both application and more so the ease of removal, to the LONGEVITY of beading and protection and gloss endurance, to the variance the wax provides regarding whether it is a warm deep type of gloss, or a hard candy-shell shallow yet shiny type of gloss, and on... and on... and on... all factor into WHY you use the wax you use. As a matter of fact, even the paint color and type all come into play! :)
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This one? Sheesh...didn't even know this existed

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The only way to settle this would be a double blind test with several waxes on the same type/color surface. I'll just say the $$ doesn't mean diddly except less money in your wallet.
 
hernandez.art13 said:
Do durability differ between waxes?
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Good question Art!

Makes one wonder which has more durability between the different types of plant and animal waxes.

Also:
Would there be a noticeable difference in durability if a "wax" has amino-functional polymers as part of its formulation?
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It's been said that these type of polymers form a molecular bond to paint...which is supposed to equate to more durability.

But, by the addition of the above mentioned amino-functional polymers, would this "wax"
now be technically a synthetic; a micro-crystalline wax; a Hybrid-wax; and/or a Sealant?

And, by what testing protocols, would it be deemed to be more, or less, durable than a given plant/animal wax?

This is where the adage: "Buy It and Try It"...probably comes in handy.


:)

Bob
 
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